Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
Do you recommend it?
Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S
Do you recommend it?
Thanks
... A fallen lighthouse is more dangerous than a reef.
On 08-03-22 20:28, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-
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Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
it.
Do you recommend it?
unixl0rd wrote to All <=-
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
it.
Do you recommend it?
non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I
Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S
Do you recommend it?
Thanks
... A fallen lighthouse is more dangerous than a reef.
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S
Re: Babylon 5
By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm
non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I
There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That set of the series was pretty fun.
On Wed Aug 3 20:28:00 2022, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-
Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
Do you recommend it?
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
Do you recommend it?
Made it through the 1st season...but life happened. Friends loved it. Myself...would recommend The Orville. Would also go for Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the bes
Hi,
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a
good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from
Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've
never seen it.
Do you recommend it?
The CGI is pretty rough, but I like the space station formula - they didn't need to do an "episode in a bottle" with a new alien each week and could do
a story arc.
I know you said no Star Trek, but have you seen Deep Space 9 yet? The latter half consists of season-wide story arcs, lots of character development.
non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from StarTrek).
There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I
did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it
was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That
set of the series was pretty fun.
What about The Expanse?
Re: Babylon 5
By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.
I also like The Orville. I really enjoyed the 3rd season, and I hope the show gets renewed.
I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood
series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that
really liked Torchwood.
I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard
never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."
I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."
I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard with the actor that plays Q :P
Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who because i
was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just soo
o bad. you can tell when writers are done.
Phoobar wrote to unixl0rd <=-
Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes
to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.
esc wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard
with the actor that plays Q :P
ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.
What was the name of that B&B? My wife and I are planning another trip
to Paso Robles soon. We went down last weekend to Sensorio, but just
took a day trip.
One thing that shocks me about moving out of the bay area is how close
the south central coast is now - Paso Robles is 2 hours away. I'm used
to it being more like 3-4 hours.
I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood
Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm
I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that really liked Torchwood.
torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, though. they lost the message and writing was bad.
I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."
I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for
What about Avenue 5? :)Oh, man, what a great show :)
When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.
Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?
Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who because i
was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just soo
o bad. you can tell when writers are done.
Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she
could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.
She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting
When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.
Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?
DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but it soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Still, I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storyline that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.
Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who becau was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just o bad. you can tell when writers are done.
Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she
could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.
She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting
to see if the next group tries to repair the backstory or leaves it as is.
I only watched the last season to see how they wrote her out... then found out it would happen over the course of two specials. I could have skipped the last season and just watched the yet-to-be aired episode.
* SLMR 2.1a * ...a host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance...
ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.
When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I'v hich I realize now I don't like as much.
Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by it
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Tracker1 to Belly on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm
Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
What about Avenue 5? :)
Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.
I'm curious why you now tend to prefer the narrative across multiple episodes these days? It seems like almost all TV shows are done that
way now, which I don't really mind, but I miss shows where each episode
is its own story. These days, the story pretty much spans a whole
season of a TV show, so if there are 10 episodes, it's basically a
10-hour movie. I feel like it all blends together, and later, if I want to go back and watch an episode where something happened, it's harder to remember which episode that was.
Also, sometimes I just like being able to just pick any episode and
watch it without needing the context of the previous episodes.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Nightfox to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 04:32 pm
DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but i soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Stil I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storylin that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.
it also gets better once he shaves his head and grows the goatee[vandyke]. hawk in the house.
On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
the best space scifi. Good stuff.
On 08-06-22 17:42, Tracker1 wrote to Belly <=-
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On 8/5/22 14:12, Belly wrote:
What about The Expanse?
Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.
Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.
She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting
it just plain sucks.
like real bad. i used to be a huge fan and i turned my back on it for good an
everyone i know did the same.
I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. the show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring.
Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.
I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. the show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring. Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.
it also gets better once he shaves his head and grows the goatee[vandyke]. hawk in the house.
That was a good look for Sisko.
On 08-08-22 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Vk3jed to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 08 2022 07:13 pm
Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.
I agree. And people are saying it might not get renewed for a 4th
season. I've heard Seth MacFarlane wants less involvement with it. Normally, I'd think such a popular show would definitely get renewed though.
Re: Dr Who
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 07 2022 08:41 pm
I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. th show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring. Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.
i used to like british shows because they knew when it was over. the actors
just throwing in another actor to doctor who isn't doing it anymore.
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Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many
Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.
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On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-
I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
the best space scifi. Good stuff.
Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.
Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.
When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.
Throwing in a new actor and new writers and show runner with more of a political commentary agenda is a formula for failure.
On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
completely different light.
I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
Do you recommend it?
Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.
When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.
Yes, actually. I had completely forgotten about that show. Might have to rewatch when I'm bored.
I liked some of the other shows mentioned earlier, too. The BSG spinoff, Caprica, was pretty cool, while it lasted.
torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, though. they lost the message and writing was bad.
Agreed. the Starz mini-series was devoid of the Torchwood "vibe." The chemistry was missing.
Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:35 pm
torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, thoug they lost the message and writing was bad.
Agreed. the Starz mini-series was devoid of the Torchwood "vibe." The chemistry was missing.
they also overly focused on jack being a homosexual when in actuality he wou
i really did not like the miniseries.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:40 pm
Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals a ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.
he also would protect the bejorans as much as he could. AND his mistress was
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On 08-08-22 21:59, Brokenmind wrote to unixl0rd <=-
I am a vary big Star Trek Fan but I love the Babylon 5 series it's my favorite behind star trek and battlestar galactica. I have bought the entire series on vudu. I hope you will give it a shot
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
completely different light.
Actually, it always dealt with serious issues, but kept things light
with a lot of humour. It's a vehicle for exploring social issues (much like the original Star Trek), but with a bit more use of humour.
John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes than occasional kissing
He would protect the Bajorans, however his reasons for doing so were more selfish than being noble. There is an episode where he is trapped on a planet with Sisko, and while trying to convince Sisko he is under appreciated, he is hallucinating and his subconscious is playing games with him, exposing his true colors
they also overly focused on jack being a homosexual when in actuality he would
uck anything and everything. they were trying to be edgy by doing gay scenes.
Re: Babylon 5
Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
What about Avenue 5? :)
Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.
On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
Re: Babylon 5
Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
What about Avenue 5? :)
I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:15 pm
John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes t occasional kissing
i dont know if he was pushing for it. i searched his interviews.
he understand the jack character and that jack has no limits to what he will
the serious just represented everything poorly.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:23 pm
He would protect the Bajorans, however his reasons for doing so were more selfish than being noble. There is an episode where he is trapped on a planet with Sisko, and while trying to convince Sisko he is under appreciated, he is hallucinating and his subconscious is playing games wi him, exposing his true colors
well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.
On 08-11-22 07:20, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in)
and I'm enjoying it.
I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay sex scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes are portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.
well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.
Re-watch the episode with Dukat in the cave with Sisko. He was talking about killing and torturing people if they didn't show him the affection he thought he deserved. He would oppress the workers on DS9, then tell them they should thank him.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:28 pm
I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay se scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes a portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.
i'd rather see NO sex scenes. it's stupid. especially when they aren't used
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:33 pm
well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.
Re-watch the episode with Dukat in the cave with Sisko. He was talking about killing and torturing people if they didn't show him the affection thought he deserved. He would oppress the workers on DS9, then tell them they should thank him.
i remember it. like i said, he was a complicated character. he wasn't blac
He's complicated for sure. About as complicated as Hitler, Stalin, or any oth er world leader who killed millions under the guise of saying they did it
for the best interests of the people, and all they ever done was also done with good intent.
Like these leaders, he tries to get away with the big lie, and Sisko calls
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Aug 13 2022 11:27 am
He's complicated for sure. About as complicated as Hitler, Stalin, or an oth er world leader who killed millions under the guise of saying they d it
for the best interests of the people, and all they ever done was also don with good intent.
Like these leaders, he tries to get away with the big lie, and Sisko call
oh he wasnt all bad! he stopped child labor and reduced forced labor quotas
Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.
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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm
Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.
Cool!
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.
Cool!
Yeah, and watched it many times. :)
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
against actor and studio photos.
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
AI against actor and studio photos.
If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.
If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.
Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.
On 08-21-22 21:02, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
DVD version.
The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
AI against actor and studio photos.
If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.
If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: created from scratch.
DaiTengu
... A self-starting oscillator won't.
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 2022 03:08 pm
Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original fil have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.
I don't blame them for shooting on tape.
and look at how many episodes they have a year. it's over 20.
they were working those people to death. It's incredible what they did in tv
I think now, most shows just do enough to cover each month of the year if ev
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
against actor and studio photos.
If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan
it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality
than an AI upscale with current software.
Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea
te more suitable graphics.
I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the 12+ hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work. Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was
Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 23 2022 04:04 pm
I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work. Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was
i'm sure they werent needed for all 12 hrs, too. they could rest in their t
echleston also complained about how the crew was treated [not the actors] in regards to workload so there might be something.
Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.
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