• Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Tue Feb 25 11:04:17 2020
    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create every possible melody (via MIDI) and released it all to the public domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this will really work.

    Article (shortened URL):
    https://bit.ly/2vj7l7o

    Full URL: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxepzw/musicians-algorithmically-generate-ev ery-possible-melody-release-them-to-public-domain

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 13:53:07 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create every possible melody
    (via MIDI) and released it all to the public domain to prevent musicians from being
    sued. I wonder if this will really work.

    I'd suspect not.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Tue Feb 25 15:00:25 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 2020 01:53 pm

    domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this will
    really work.

    I'd suspect not.

    I think programs cannot hold the copyright of the output they generate anyway.

    Perhaps one could argue that whoever created the program/algorithm would own the copyright to the melodies it generates.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 17:26:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two prog r if this will really work.

    Article (shortened URL):
    https://bit.ly/2vj7l7o

    Full URL: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxepzw/musicians-algorithmically-generate

    Nightfox


    That's intersting. I'd like to hear what the courts do with it. Awhile back I stumbled across a YouTube channel with an AI that assembles Swedish Death Metal tunes. It has some rudimentary understanding of scales, and the chord progressions and solos aren't horrible (at least for SDM.)

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  • From Pixel@VERT/NEONPLAZ to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 17:46:32 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny.
    Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create
    every possible melody (via MIDI) and released it all to the public
    domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this
    will
    really work.


    There are only so many combinations... someone was goign to do it eventually!

    Pixel.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Pixel on Wed Feb 26 10:23:54 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public dom
    By: Pixel to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 2020 05:46 pm

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny.
    Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create
    every possible melody (via MIDI) and released it all to the public
    domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this
    will
    really work.

    There are only so many combinations... someone was goign to do it eventually!

    Are you sure about that? When you consider things like the speed the melodies are played, the specific note pitch, length of time, etc. (there are probably other factors), I'd think there might be unlimited combinations that could be used for a melody. I'm a little skeptical about the "every possible melody" thing..

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 26 10:54:12 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Feb 25 2020 03:00 pm

    Perhaps one could argue that whoever created the program/algorithm would own the
    copyright to the melodies it generates.

    Nightfox

    I am no lawyer, but I think the Berna convention most countries adhere to does not work that way.

    If you train a monkey to take pictures, the copyright "belongs" to the monkey. Since the monkey can't hold a copyright, the pictures the monkey takes are public domain. Ie, intellectual property generated in an autonomous manner by a tool does not have a holder. There was a recent case which involved some pictures posted on Wikipedia, and courts dictated that the pictures were public domain.

    (Sorry to say the trained monkey is a tool, but in practice he more or less is, so...)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Wed Feb 26 13:11:01 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Feb 26 2020 10:54 am

    I am no lawyer, but I think the Berna convention most countries adhere to does not work that way.

    If you train a monkey to take pictures, the copyright "belongs" to the monkey. Since the monkey can't hold a copyright, the pictures the monkey

    (Sorry to say the trained monkey is a tool, but in practice he more or less is, so...)

    I was going to say, a monkey is a living thing whereas a piece of software is not.. I guess that wouldn't matter? What would it mean for a piece of software to own a copyright?

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Mar 16 05:54:30 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 26 2020 01:11 pm

    I was going to say, a monkey is a living thing whereas a piece of software is not.. I guess that wouldn't matter? What would it mean for a piece of software to own a copyright?

    Well, a monkey here has barely more rights than a hammer or power drill.

    If a kid breaks into your farm and starts beating the pigs with a stick and you punch him, you are likely got to have a broken case in court because you used force to stop somebody who was damaging property but not people.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 09:17:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Mar 16 2020 05:54 am

    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 26 2020 01:11 pm

    I was going to say, a monkey is a living thing whereas a piece of softwar is not.. I guess that wouldn't matter? What would it mean for a piece o software to own a copyright?

    Well, a monkey here has barely more rights than a hammer or power drill.

    If a kid breaks into your farm and starts beating the pigs with a stick and

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a push
    to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carried over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no cash value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't
    know it was a repo man.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 11:14:50 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a push to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carried over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no cash value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating that a cattle rustler may be hung. It suits me fine :-)

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the Sand, so in some circumpstances you can protect your animals in scenarios where you are allowed to protect your property. If somebody attacks your horse in Spain, the most you can do is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do jail time for him.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 23:06:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a pu to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carrie over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no ca value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating that a

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the San o is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do jail

    Before the Castle Doctrine was made law in Michigan, the rule was attempt retreat. The judges then agreed if you are in your home, you are in your
    final retreat or castle. The rest is decided by the forensics guys.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sat Apr 4 12:10:29 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:06 pm

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect propert after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also car over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they did know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating tha

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the o is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do j

    Before the Castle Doctrine was made law in Michigan, the rule was attempt retreat. The judges then agreed if you are in your home, you are in your final retreat or castle. The rest is decided by the forensics guys.


    what i hate is how i cant boobytrap my garage to get people that break into it. i locked it down good now, but i lost 2 lawnmowers.

    my grandpa had his rigged so if you didnt hit a switch a bunch of metal bars fell on you.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Wed Apr 8 16:21:41 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 12:26 am

    well they are hundreds of dollars. and require a subscription. i went with arlo cams.

    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

    If someone is going to oceans 11 me, cut my power, and rob me, they will soon find out that it was not worth the effort.

    ---TLM

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Rampage on Thu Apr 9 12:45:39 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Rampage to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 07:38 pm

    If someone is going to oceans 11 me, cut my power, and rob me, they will soon find out that it was not worth the effort.

    what effort? a pair of wire cutters and a 1/4 inch nut driver... clip the lock thing on the meter base, remove the locking ring, open the base, pull the meter, done ;)

    Lol, I meant more not the effort as in, sure, have at my record collection and old TV.

    ---TLM

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 16:43:59 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Rampage to MRO on Wed Apr 08 2020 09:17 am

    by the same token, wifi and cell signals can also be easily blocked... the transmitter power doesn't have to be that strong, either... it only needs to block/overwhelm the targetted system(s) and prevent comms for some time whil the action is taking place... granted, it is an unlicensed transmitter and t


    i used to have a cellphone jammer. it was so much fun. i'd ride the bus and someone would be real noisey on the phone so i'd turn it on. then they'd get all confused and shake the phone and other shit. shake out the demons?

    then i'd let them talk for another minute and then click it back on.

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