I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:16 am
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and
over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Well, Space Seed/Khan was originally done in TOS, and the Wrath of Khan idea was effectively resone in the second JJ Abrhams movie. We haven't had a rehash of an old Borg story..... yet!
On 03-06-20 21:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were introduced in
TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting humans earlier
into history?
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of
the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were
introduced in TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting
humans earlier into history?
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
On 03-07-20 11:47, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
True. The reboot movies are in the TOS era though, and the Borg are
more in the TNG era.
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I
heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad
to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
On 03-09-20 12:40, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That might be a tough thing to do now that the Picard show has started.
The Picard show is in the main timeline, and they have continued with
the idea that Romulus was destroyed. So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly and all that.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
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to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once
they've finished with it.
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
On 03-10-20 09:56, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they
did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before,
but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what
happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the
past has changed' type of reboot.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I
don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
On 03-13-20 01:03, Lupine Furmen wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed' type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had come be e design of the Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I'
D.
Nightfox
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
And with the JJ Abrams movies, it seems the past did
change - The Vulcan home world was destroyed in the past, which is something they had to deal with.
Also, it seems the design of the
Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I've seen
online show the JJ Abrams Enterprise to be about as big as the
Enterprise D from the Next Generation. The original Enterprise was
quite a bit smaller than the Enterprise D.
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On 03-10-20 09:56, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
You mean Picard?
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending
the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
On 03-14-20 09:36, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
So 'we' as viewers have already seen the old timeline and now we are seeing the new one. Yes, it 'wipes away' the old one, but doesn't
change all the memories, tapes, DVR's, etc. of the old shows. That
stuff is wiped away 'in universe' but it also DID happen as well,
for US.
Thank any clearer? :-)
You mean Picard?
No, I was referring to the JJ Abrams movies. When I saw the 2009 Star Trek, I had assumed they changed the past by having Nero sent back into the past and destroying the Vulcan home planet. I'd think everything after that would have been changed, so I wasn't sure where the Original Series movies, The Next Generation DS9, Voyager, etc. stood after that. But then I heard they had explained it somehow that the JJ Abrams movies are in a different timeline and the main timeline still exists (albeit with the Romulan home world destroyed). I've heard the Picard series is supposed to be in the main timeline.
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed' type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had come before.
You mean Picard?
And with the JJ Abrams movies, it seems the past did
change - The Vulcan home world was destroyed in the past, which is something they had to deal with.
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending
the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
Also, it seems the design of the
Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I've seen online show the JJ Abrams Enterprise to be about as big as the Enterprise D from the Next Generation. The original Enterprise was quite a bit smaller than the Enterprise D.
I'll take your word for it. :-) I've never been into the specs of
it. :-)
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Sat Mar 14 2020 09:33 am
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
You mean Picard?
No, I was referring to the JJ Abrams movies. When I saw the 2009 Star Trek, wasn't sure where the Original Series movies, The Next Generation DS9, Voyag he Romulan home world destroyed). I've heard the Picard series is supposed
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Yep. And Old Spock was sent into the past (and into the JJ Abrams Star Trek
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20 years or
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:02 pm
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Sta Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always ha
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that se ts future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. nd Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again,
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
Yep, I've been enjoying Picard.
Nightfox
On 03-23-20 19:33, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
On the TOS episode City on the Edge of Forever, the Guardian somehow exists
outside of time, so the crew was aware of the damage McCoy did in the past
(America stays neutral in WWII, Germany wins, and no Starfleet or Enterprise to beam them up.)
In First Contact the Enterprise views the effects of the Borg going
back in ti me right before they are pulled back in time.
The Enterprise was already in the temporal vortex when that happened, which protected them from the effects of the change.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
In Assignment Earth though, Gary 7's work is necessary to prevent the timeline
from going astray. This establishes a pre-destined future where
whatever acts in the past affect the main timeline downstream.
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before. For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 23 2020 01:42 pm
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, th seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather t creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Trek has a long, storied history of retconning things. :)
DaiTengu
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I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 26 2020 04:11 am
>> I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
>> years or so after Nemesis.
Tr> I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go
Tr> either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died, etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can
go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Mar 27 2020 09:29 am
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can Tr>> go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
Ah.. Even then, I thought the Picard show was fairly clearly in the main ti
Nightfox
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:02 pm
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before.
For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
On 03-29-20 08:50, Prime wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ever since I watched the first reboot movie, I have been firmly
convinced that the entire timeline is just Spock in it for the lulz. I mean, in the timeline he's from, it has been demonstrated that even shortly after coming back from the dead, he has the mental capacity to
do the calculations needed to intentionally travel through time. Given
that, he has everything he needs to just go undo the entire situation,
any time he wants. He just needed a vaction and a chance to harrass
Kirk for a while. :-P
My least favorite star trek. I actually stopped watching it but my wife was sort of into it and wanted to continue so occasionally we watch it but I`ll be
glad when it's over.
I know that star trek has never been too "hard core" science fiction, that is leaning more toward the fiction and less toward the science but this new show just makes me cringe when they bring up fantasy elements like "time crystals".
Also there was one episode where (forgetting almost all of the details here) there was something going on far away and they said it would take them years to
get there but I did the math in my head given they're at warp 5 (which in an earlier episode they used so I know they have warp 5 at least) it would have taken about a month which in space travel terms is a short hop.
Oh, and one scene where one of the bridge crew said "The computer thought we were upside down". I was thinking... what the hell does "upside down" mean in
the context of space. and why would the computer care anyway?
I try to disregard all that kind of stuff and focus on the story but it's really taxing my ability to suspend disbelief.
I know a show like this has to balance realism with telling a story line but the one area were they opted for more realism was with Klingons actually speaking Klingon in the absense of a universal translator (no starfleet person
around) but that`s one area I would prefer they just speak english because I know they`re speaking Klingon but we're the audience and the whole story is told for our benefit.
at this point. Most of the rest of
cast are better written at least.
at this point. Most of the rest of
cast are better written at least.
including the woman with the red hair
who they try to make "chatty" but its
like her monologues come out of the
beginners guide to writing annoying
sidekIcks. she doesnt even say much
either, just rattles it all off to make
it try to sound like a lot but it falls
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
I'm okay with the Klingon as long as there's non-english subs.
My biggest issue is the character development for the lead character is absolutely absent. Time after time after time this character just does
what they decide is best, completely ignoring the chain of command or anything resembling an honor code. It's probably the only thing that's consistent in her character. She's like the a concentrated abstraction
of everything wrong with youth in someone who should have learned better
at this point. Most of the rest of the cast are better written at least.
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Michael J. Ryan
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You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I will fi anyone who disagrees!
You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I will fight anyone who disagrees!
including the woman with the red hair
who they try to make "chatty" but its
like her monologues come out of the
beginners guide to writing annoying
sidekIcks. she doesnt even say much
either, just rattles it all off to make
it try to sound like a lot but it falls
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I
will fight anyone who disagrees!
I also like Tilly in Discovery.
Ha, i mean she's no riker or spock that's for sure. her command would be
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mantrid to Bob Roberts on Wed Jan 06 2021 12:01 am
Ha, i mean she's no riker or spock that's for sure. her command would b
It would be good to quote the part of the message you're replying to so we h some context to what you're talking about. Who is the "she" you're referrin to?
Nightfox
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Phigan to Mantrid on Sun Jan 17 2021 04:08 pm
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space then it's pretty good.
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to. I find Discovery an enjoyable and engaging sto that is giving each character more depth as the seasons go on. Calling it "Gays in Space" is a stretch. Haven't you thought that maybe in the future people will stop looking at each other as straight or gay but instead fluid?
Dream Master
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Mon Jan 18 2021 10:20 am
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing
whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every TV show these days do
whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you
either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
Nightfox
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Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
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That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the
episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash,
rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
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ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect
something a lot more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would be allowed
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where's the exploration, the dilemmas, the character development, even
DS9 managed very nuanced and multilayered characters even thought it
was a very action-packed series around war (look at sisko's gradual
slide into being a war criminal versus quark's observations on the real ethics of humanity when their backs are against the wall)
Enterprise played with season-long story arcs with the Xindi story.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Mon Jan 18 2021 04:57 pm
Enterprise played with season-long story arcs with the Xindi story.
That was probably my least favorite season of Enterprise. Knowing the whole season was going to deal with the Xindi, I got a bit bored with the storyline after a little while, and I wanted to see something different.
And Nog recuperating at Vic's. Loved that story.
enterprise was ran by some very disorganized confused people.
it took so long to get its footing. they constantly changed the theme song around to appease tv guide's complaints.
they ended it horribly with a holodeck episode.
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Sun Jan 17 2021 10:16 pm
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Mon Jan 18 2021 10:20 am
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
Other shows played better without one (albeit the inclusion of season-ending cliff-hangers):
ST: Voyager
ST: TNG
Or any show really
I'm not fond of the new Picard series. I really tried to enjoy it.
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I don't remember constant changes in the theme song.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Phigan on Sun Jan 17 2021 06:37 pm
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episode follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and rep formula everyone got use to.
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Phigan to Mantrid on Sun Jan 17 2021 04:08 pm
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space then it's pretty good.
ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect something a more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would b allowed
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calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
I'm with you there brother. I miss the terminal episode. Though,
honestly, some shows play better with an arc. It does bug me that
they always end with a cliffhanger:
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I don't remember constant changes in the theme song.
i binge watched it last month. they changed it about 4 times.
sometimes it was little changes of tempo.
On 01-17-21 18:37, Dream Master wrote to Phigan <=-
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the
episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash,
rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to. I find Discovery an enjoyable and engaging story that is giving each character more depth
as the seasons go on. Calling it "Gays in Space" is a stretch.
Haven't you thought that maybe in the future people will stop looking
at each other as straight or gay but instead fluid?
On 01-17-21 22:16, Nightfox wrote to Dream Master <=-
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
On 01-18-21 08:10, Mantrid wrote to Phigan <=-
ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect
something a lot more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would be allowed
On 01-19-21 08:28, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I thought the first couple seasons were alright, and I thought season 4 was pretty good (though ending it like they did with the holodeck
seemed a little weird).
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I
My favorite "reset" nitpick is when a ship survives a battle and has received 87% structural damage and will require a tow to the next starbase, then is magically in tip top shape by the next week. Voyager would piss me off because of this. I recall one episode where the Hirogen turned then entire ship into large multi-deck holodecks for hunting down and reviving crew members over and over, then the next week the ship didn't appear to have been gutted and modified. I imagine if the Borg transform a ship into their technology, it can't be reset to defaults easily either.
Gamgee wrote to calcmandan <=-
calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
I'm with you there brother. I miss the terminal episode. Though,
honestly, some shows play better with an arc. It does bug me that
they always end with a cliffhanger:
Breaking Bad
I didn't think this ended with a cliffhanger. Walt is dead, and Jesse gets away. His later doings are chronicled in the movie "El Camino".
Better Call Saul
Not over yet. I believe a new season is about to start, or will be opening on Netflix, soon. Need to check on the status of this...
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Tue Jan 19 2021 03:43 pm
Other shows played better without one (albeit the inclusion of season-ending cliff-hangers):
ST: Voyager
ST: TNG
Or any show really
Some shows (including the above mentioned) had 2-part episodes. Those were the days when they had to say "To be continued..." at the end of
the episode, because episodes were usually stand-alone stories. Star Trek: Enterprise had 3-episode story arcs a couple times.
Phigan wrote to Mantrid <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mantrid to Tracker1 on Sun Jan 03 2021 04:32 pm
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
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By the time Enterprise came out, I was burned out on star trek. Having grown up with it, and at one point, there was not a single hour of the evening where there wasn't a star trek playing.
I may give it a shot at some point.
My biggest issue is the character development for the lead character is
absolutely absent. Time after time after time this character just does
what they decide is best, completely ignoring the chain of command or
anything resembling an honor code. It's probably the only thing that's
consistent in her character. She's like the a concentrated abstraction
of everything wrong with youth in someone who should have learned better
at this point. Most of the rest of the cast are better written at least.
I used to have a supervisor who liked slogans, such as "learning by doing," and "do it right the first time." I tried to explain part of learning is the bitter sting of making mistakes, and doing things right the first time doesn't prove you're learing anything except you haven't made a mistake yet. He had nothing to throw back at me.
And they made her #1. Shes a freaking Ensign and now she's second to the Captain. It makes no sense! The other bridge officers are like happy and smiling that she got the job. Oh, I'm sure they're thrilled that their
years of starfleet career just got overlooked so some chatty redhead could run the ship.
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I haven't watched in years, such as
The Simpsons and South Park..
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I
haven't watched in years, such as The Simpsons and South Park..
Awww. Give South Park another shot. Maybe try "The South Park Pandemic Special" on HBOMax.
I burned out on the Simpsons awhile ago. They still get recorded but the number of episodes waiting for me keeps growing and growing.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Wed Jan 20 2021 02:23 pm
By the time Enterprise came out, I was burned out on star trek. Having grown up with it, and at one point, there was not a single hour of the evening where there wasn't a star trek playing.
I may give it a shot at some point.
I've never felt burned out with Star Trek. I've always liked it and
never really felt like I got tired of it.
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I
haven't watched in years, such as The Simpsons and South Park..
I think I aged out of South Park and the Simpsons (which started when I was in high school mind you).
I never got into the simpsons but my wife used to check every week for new episodes, but that stopped around 2008. I haven't seen South Park since about then.
We cancelled cable in 2010. Cancelled Netflix in 2017. Talking
about cancelling Prime at the moment. We got nice antenna for broadcast tv but neither
of us watch that at all. Too many ads and most broadcast shows suck butthole.
I buy most dvd's at goodwill. And for anything fresh, there's putlocker and redbox. Yeah we're weird.
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