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Gun show in Memphis tomorrow - I'm in the market for a replacement for
my Ruger Convertible Single Six that was stolen a few years ago...
I've been looking at the Heritage, because of the price (I can't
justify the price of a NEW Ruger Single-Six right now, just for a fun plinker), and I'm considering the Ruger Wrangler - but it doesn't have
a Magnum cylinder option...
I've been looking online, becoming familiar with other brands and
options that are out there, so if I run across something at the show
I'll know a little more about it...
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Gun show in Memphis tomorrow - I'm in the market for a replacement for
my Ruger Convertible Single Six that was stolen a few years ago...
I've been looking at the Heritage, because of the price (I can't justify
the price of a NEW Ruger Single-Six right now, just for a fun plinker),
and I'm considering the Ruger Wrangler - but it doesn't have a Magnum cylinder option...
I've been looking online, becoming familiar with other brands and options that are out there, so if I run across something at the show I'll know
a little more about it...
... Alex, I'll take "things that only I know" for $1000.
WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I'm a bit leery onthe quality of heritage revolvers. IRC they're part
of the Taurus /Rossi group and I have several friends who have had
trouble with Taurus' wheelguns
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I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...
Well - I ended up NOT going to the show, but I did have to go to
Jackson, so I went to Acadamy Sports, just because I knew they sold
guns and I've never been in there. They had a couple of Heritage and
one (Silver) Ruger Wrangler.
Holding one, and then the other? The Ruger has a better feeling 'grip'
to me than the Heritage. The Rugar is $199 (I've made some calls and
that seems to be the street price in my area) and there's a store in Dyersburg that has two Heritage in stock for $199 with the magnum
cylinder included.
So - if I wind up buying new, I think I'm going to go with the
Wrangler for now and maybe get a Single Six down the road... I've
already picked out some Imitation Mother of Pearl grips for it -
LOL - and a nice side holster.
One more thing - the Wrangler is ONLY available in the 4-5/8"
barrel length, and I do like the 6" barrel of the Single Six
or the Heritage better, but I think I'll be happier in the
long run with the Wrangler...
Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I'm a bit leery onthe quality of heritage revolvers. IRC they're part of the Taurus /Rossi group and I have several friends who have had trouble with Taurus' wheelguns
I think it's like anything else, you get what you pay for, and if you're buying a low end plinker, it's never gonna be the quality of a high
end gun.
BUT - that being said - I think there's something to be said for any gun
can be taken care of and have some good use and life!
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Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud and being run over than I would the Single Six!
I've got an old Double-Nine that I've had for about 30+ years. I love it. V accurate and dependable. I use shot shells in it for our Rattlers and it doe a great job.
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Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!
I've got an old Double-Nine that I've had for about 30+ years. I love
it. Very accurate and dependable. I use shot shells in it for our
Rattlers and it does a great job.
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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...
Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be.
I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!
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I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...
My father in law gave me his Heritage Rough Rider for a late
birthday present! So instead of buying one at all, I have that
one. LOL
Took it home that day and ran 18 rounds through it. I thought the
sights were fine! That 'rear groove' cut into the top strap was
a new thing for me, but I adopted quickly!
When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger Wrangler at >$179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is >better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive across the county to get a Rough
Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices >described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.
Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)
WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
So I finally got my Ruger Wrangler from Sportsman's Warehouse a few
days back. Initial impressions are, the burnt bronze finish (or
Interesting! I didn't intend to buy one, but I was at Rural King
Saturday getting some other stuff and they had the silver and the
black. I walked out of there with the black one. :-)
I've heard of Rural King, but we don't have any around here. I think
the closest we get is Murdoch's. The one here in sell firearms,
they're right next door to Sportsmans' Warehouse so that's
understandable, but the one in Laramie does.
Murdoch's in Laramie is
where I've been buying most of my Heritage guns. It's a bit of a
guilty pleasure for me, I'll admit. I'm a sucker for cheap guns. Just
to prove it, I'll even admit to owning a couple of Hi-Points. Then
again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand and one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)
I'd actually have preferred the black one, but I had to order online
and (believe it or don't) the only one available on the Sportsman's Warehouse website when I ordered was the burnt bronze one.
whatever they call it) actually didn't look that bad. The sights are somewhere between my Heritage Arms Rough Rider and my Ruger Single Six
in quality and all in all fit and finish isn't all that bad -
considering the price. The action felt a little rough and it hung up a few times while cycling the hammer at first, but eventually it smoothed out and while it's not as silky smooth (yet) as my Single Six, it is getting better and I'm sure that as I put some rounds through it it'll "get there."
Mine actually binded up a couple of times, but I only had to cycle the action a few times to get it to be smooth. I always expect a newly machined mechanism to be a little rough at first so I wasn't
disappointed at all. Can't expect an arm at THAT price point to be
smooth and polished EVERY time!
When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger
Wrangler at $179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive
across the county to get a Rough Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.
My RR has the magnum cylinder as well, so that's worth something, and
the blue finish and longer barral is more 'traditional' SAA, but the
Ruger is, IMO, a better overall gun. Maybe not like the Single Six I
used to own, but for $199 (wasn't on sale), a HECK of a deal!!!
I am in 100% agreement with you. I'm tempted to send my Single Six
back to be fitted with a magnum cylinder but mine is a three-screw
model and all original.
That would result in me receiving an altered firearm (albeit with the original parts as well) and a $100 charge for services rendered. I already have a magnum cylinder for the RR. My Single Six is nickle finished with Mother-Of-Pearl gripes. Four clicks on the hammer and a heavy barrel. She's a damned tack driver for sure. I like them all
for different purposes. For just going out into the back yard and plinking the Wrangler is awesome. If I want someone to "ohhh" over a
gun, I break out the all original three screw Single Six. And for
heading out to the back of the property where a gun might be dropped in the mud and the shit or fall off the ATV.... well that's Rough Rider territory.
Jimmy, if you ever make your way out to Wyoming, look me up. We'll do some shooting together.
Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)
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one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)
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ZOMBIE MAMBO wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-
Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.
I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),
WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-
I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned
one.
I've got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't
enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed
barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's
I own. The carbine is also damned handy at putting rounds right where
I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned
reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't beat the warranty.
All my guns are shooters. I wouldn't own a gun that I haven't or don't intend to shoot at least once.
I've spent as little as $75 (for a Sundance A-25) to as much as $1500
(Uzi Pro) for pistols, bought rifles for anywhere from $50 (A $100 deal
on a Marlin 25N and a Savage 954 LS) to $1250 on a M1 Garand and the
same on an M1 Carbine. I pretty much am at the point now where my want list is getting pretty short. I'm interested in the C.O.P. 357, have wanted one ever since I first saw one back in the 80's. Have some oddballs to be sure. Like I said, the list is short, but that's the
list. Opportunistic purchases are always a possibility!
Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
are thay new
No an M1 is a World War II vintage rifle.
Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
carbines
ZOMBIE MAMBO wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-
Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.
How does it shoot?
And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertiseme on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!
Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it
got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...
I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),
I think the Cobra is basically the same as Davis was? My wife's first
pistol was a .380 Davis. We had to send it back to the factory - they replaced it - she sold it and went to a 9mm Keltec, and now carries a
.40 that matches mine, only hers has a laser as well.
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WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-
I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one.
I don't doubt it! I always hear them being 'run down' in gun talk,
but NO ONE I have heard say anything negative has ever owned one and
I don't think they've even shot them...
WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-
I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one.
I don't doubt it! I always hear them being 'run down' in gun talk,
but NO ONE I have heard say anything negative has ever owned one and
I don't think they've even shot them...
My guitar I gig with is a Takimine made in 1991 that I bought brand
new. Is a GREAT axe that has aged well and has GREAT electronics to
boot.
My 'bluegrass jamming' guitar is a Yamaha made in 1968 or so (a fire destroyed a lot of the records, so the company couldn't tell me
for sure). I bought it used for a STEAL and when I carry it to
jams people assume it's a Martin (internally, it's a copy of a D-18),
then they look at the headstock and see Yamaha and give it a dismissive 'oh.' What I want to tell them is ignore the name and enjoy it for
what it is - a great guitar!
I think guns hit people the same way...
I've got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's I own. The carbine is also damned handy at putting rounds right where I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't beat the warranty.
I assume lifetime? Bought my Ruger Wrangler brand new and my wife bught
a Ruger 5.56 pistol brand new and they don't even have that...
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
carbines
Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.
According to the blueprints it's an M1. If you want to get real
choosy on what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson
"paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe
are authentic. The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto
Ordnance Thompsons. Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts
during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts
left over from WWII.
In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1 carbines
Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.
According to the blueprints it's an M1. If you want to get real
choosy on what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson "paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe
are authentic. The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto Ordnance Thompsons. Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts
during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts
left over from WWII.
In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)
... At the end of the day, it gets dark.In the case of Thompsons, they were produced as open bolt full auto's. A new federally compliant reciever and trigger group are required. Plus parts made of better materials wear better.
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)
In spite of any differences you and I have had in the past...I
guess we have one thing in common. I want an M1 badly. I served
in the 82nd Airborne Division and really engrossed myself with
the unit's history, and even walked some of the 82nd's WW2
battlefields in Europe.
Here's a kind of bizarre story, not really related, but I suspect
folks here may appreciate it. We did a raid in east Baghdad in
2007 and recovered a 1911 with a colt stamp in the side and a
serial number. We traced the serial number back to a lieutenant
who was killed in action I think in Italy or North Africa or
something in WW2. It's now in the 82nd's museum.
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
In any hobby there will be some snobbery regards to brand recognition, however some brands or specific models earn their reputation, good or bad.
Materials and treatment processes determine cost as well as manufacturing techniques. Quality control and manufacturing tolerances also affect price.
Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal
parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have
been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)
I was watching an interview with the owner of Cimmaron Arms, and his company m akes replicas of Old West era revolvers. If you were a SASS competition shooter, you'd want a replica over a real Colt Single Action Army because of the modern materials and construction methods.
A vintage SAA's lifespan may have been 500 rounds before requiring parts service, while 500 rounds is a couple weeks' practice for a modern replica.
LOL - yeah, I can see that. :-)
... I have a mind like a steel... uh... thingy.
Yes.... the M1 is legendary. I have one that I got from the CMP,
it's not an "original" from WW2, but as close as I could get (for
now). It is from that era, although with a new barrel. The
stock and receiver/action are original (Harrington and
Richardson). Also have an orignal bayonet for it. I have fired
it quite a bit, mostly using surplus Greek ammo (HXP) that the CMP
sells. It's a real joy to shoot.
Lot of history there in the 82nd, and very cool that you got to
walk some of those battlefields. Thanks for your service. I'm
retired Navy myself, and had a pretty fair amount of firearm usage
while I was in.
I'll assume you've watched the mini-series "Band of Brothers"...
which of course is about the 101st, but pretty close to what the
82nd did/does. If you haven't seen it you need to binge watch it
this weekend. Fantastic.
RYAN wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Here's a kind of bizarre story, not really related, but I suspect folks here may appreciate it. We did a raid in east Baghdad in 2007 and recovered a 1911 with a colt stamp in the side and a serial number. We traced the serial number back to a lieutenant who was killed in action
I think in Italy or North Africa or something in WW2. It's now in the 82nd's museum.
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal
parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have
been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)
My Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. shoots fine out of the box.
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)
My Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. shoots fine out of the box.
Oh mine shoots PERFECTLY fine! No problems at all, I just want to learn
more about it and for less than $40 with shipping I'll be able to hand polish the internals and 'do a trigger job' too. I figure it can't hurt,
and will be fun to do.
Didn't mean to make it sound like it NEEDS it - not at all! :-)
... It beeped and said "Countdown initiated". Is that bad?
Moondog wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Improvement is a personal preference. Several years ago at an
NRAAM I got to speak with the president of Apex triggers, and try
out a bunch of varous trigger kits ranign from improved defensive
carry to match grade triggers. Some were so new they had no model
number, and had been pulled from the CNC machine and placed in
his personal carry pistols the night before they went to the
convention. I'd recommend their triggers to anyone with an S&W.
MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Didn't mean to make it sound like it NEEDS it - not at all! :-)
Improvement is a personal preference. Several years ago at an NRAAM I
got to speak with the president of Apex triggers, and try out a bunch
of varous trigger kits ranign from improved defensive carry to match
grade triggers. Some were so new they had no model number, and had been pulled from the CNC machine and placed in his personal carry pistols
the night before they went to the convention. I'd recommend their triggers to anyone with an S&W.
GAMGEE wrote to MOONDOG <=-
I'll second the nod to Apex. Have one in my carry Shield, and
it's a HUGE improvement over the stock trigger. Did it myself,
quite an easy process.
Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Mon May 11 2020 03:14 pm
Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Weatherman on Sun May 10 2020 03:46 pm
You are correct that I do not own a hi point.
However my brother does.
It's junk.
Price alone usually is a great indicator on what you're buying.
I'd carry it as backup if i was hunting, maybe as a finisher.
I would not trust my life with it as my choice for CCW.
But like ANY firearm, I'd rather have one that not have anything.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
I think it's a natural response to assume inexpensive means junk, however there's only so much workmanship and material quality put into inexpensiv firearms. I'd consider a Hi-Point to be a fun shooter, however I doubt I shot a match or depend on one for concealed carry.
Yes, agreed. However I think there are some well made cheapos out there. Kel-Tec for example seems to be affordable, and reliable.
At least my experience with them has been.
In other news, Saturday I got to hold and inspect a WWI Army Issued Colt .45 It was my Great Uncle's Father (my great grandpa). It was issued to him and carried it in WWI. I believe they were in service between 1898 and 1940 probably when new style was issued for WWII. Anyways, it is in EXCELLENT condition, heavy as hell, and big. I can't imagine carrying it.
He also had a LLama Arms .380 Micromax, which is a replica of a 1911 model pistol. I was amazed at how well built and comfortable this spanish firearm They went belly up in 2000 but still fetch 300+ used.
I love coming across new things and unexpected charms in the firearms world.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ZOMBIE MAMBO on Sun May 17 2020 03:39 am
And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen the in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertis on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES trans to anyone else that owns it!
Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...
I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
I haven't had any experience with SCCY so couldn't comment on that. Regarding the high point, my brother says it shoots fine. Which to me doesn' carry much weight. :)
I am guessing like my old Lorcin .380 ($89 new) it probably is mechanically sound, a bit heavy, not very asthetic, and gets the job done which is all yo really want in something like that.
Basically the cobra .380 i have is in the same category, same price range.
I debated over the 9mm S&W Shield, and the 9mm Nano for my first CCW arm.
I opted for the Ruger LC9 because it was handgun of the year like two years earlier, and i liked its specs. I have a red dot on it, and got the camo NRA edition. It's nice. But honestly i like to carry my Glock .42 (.380) better.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jun 17 2020 12:24 pm
The Nano is very bare bones in design. What freaked me out was it didn't a lever to lock the slide back. SCCY's have a good warranty and customer service. I think I mentioned before where a friend took his with him to Florida, and was passing by their company HQ. While they worked on his pistol, he got a tour of the plant.
I don't recall that, but that is cool they gave him a tour.
I will tell you, if you're not a conceal carry purist (0 safeties) and want some common sense saftey, its hard to beat the ruger lc9.
Look it up, its a great 1st time conceal weapon with safety features that ma the weary confident.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen
them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!
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