Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980 in a pawn
shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other" things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a gun show in Cheyenne, WY.
Was
shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year, found a left-hand
draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that one day I'd fill
it.

Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible.
And
that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357 magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.
Regards,
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Weatherman wrote to All <=-

Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in
1980 in a pawn
shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other"
things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a
gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year,
found a left-hand
draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
one day I'd fill
it.

Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I
spotted it. At
less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or
manual. I just
wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the
discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357
magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the
caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.



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Weatherman wrote to All <=-

Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in
1980 in a pawn
shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other"
things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a
gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year,
found a left-hand
draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
one day I'd fill
it.

Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357
magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the
caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Yeah, they only made it for six years, checking... 1983 to 1989, so I guess I first saw it in '83. I know it was before I was transferred to Alaska, so it had to have been 83-84. Regardless, 40 years ago. Haven't been able to track down the actual number manufactured, but since it was essentially a one-product company (they also made one in .22 WMR I guess), I doubt there were very many produced. As I said, I've only seen the beast three times in 40 years, and I have done a LOT of looking!

Going to have to make a Derringer Day at the range. .38 sp/.357, 10 mm and .22 WMR all just begging to be taken out for some fun in the sun...


Regards,
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Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
By: Weatherman to Gamgee on Wed Apr 19 2023 08:11 am

Weatherman wrote to All <=-

Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980 in a pawn
shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other" things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year, found a left-hand
draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
one day I'd fill
it.

Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357 magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Yeah, they only made it for six years, checking... 1983 to 1989, so I gues first saw it in '83. I know it was before I was transferred to Alaska, so i had to have been 83-84. Regardless, 40 years ago. Haven't been able to tra down the actual number manufactured, but since it was essentially a one-prod company (they also made one in .22 WMR I guess), I doubt there were very man produced. As I said, I've only seen the beast three times in 40 years, and have done a LOT of looking!

Going to have to make a Derringer Day at the range. .38 sp/.357, 10 mm and WMR all just begging to be taken out for some fun in the sun...

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

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Re: Re: C.O.P. .357

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

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Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handgun. Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars.
Need
an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....


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Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

Re: Re: C.O.P. .357

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

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Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars. Need
an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.

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Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

Re: Re: C.O.P. .357

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

---

Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars. Need
an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.

I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving anything else in return....

Regards,
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Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 2023 10:28 am

Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

Re: Re: C.O.P. .357

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barre Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a b out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within b breath distance

---

Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and ou of cars. Need
an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 snubbies
and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige other manufacturers with comparable product.

I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving anything else in return....

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I don't know many police
or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

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Weatherman wrote to All <=-

Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980
in a pawn

Very cool! Glad you finally have one! Not one I'm familiar with, but interesting sounding. :-)





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Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel.
The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a
miracle. It wasn't fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is
better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

I call those belly guns... If you are accosted and need SOMETHING you
jam it in the belly and pull the trigger...







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Weatherman wrote to Moondog <=-

I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.

I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving
anything else in return....

Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!




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Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger
price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols
haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I
don't know many police or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot
of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams
will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

:-)





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Re: snobby
By: Jimmy Anderson to Moondog on Fri May 05 2023 07:33 pm

Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I don't know many police or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

:-)

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Snobbery is universal. I can understand it somewhat. When one gets used to
a premium product, everything else is "inferior" no matter it's strong or weak
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Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-

Weatherman wrote to All <=-

Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980
in a pawn

Very cool! Glad you finally have one! Not one I'm familiar with, but interesting sounding. :-)

I'll be the first to admit that it's a guilty pleasure. As mentioned before, trigger pull is horrible, there's nowhere near enough barrel for the rifling to stablize the projectile, sights are about on par with a low-end J-frame.....

I just had to have it. I guess that's where I am in my collection, I have the meat and potatos, now I'm adding the gravy. Wife is in the same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab, but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but a couple of nice conversation starters....



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Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-

Weatherman wrote to Moondog <=-

I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.

I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving
anything else in return....

Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!

Have a pair of Wranglers. I like my Single Six (older three-screw model) better, but the Wranger is not bad at all. Certainly better than the Heritage Rough Riders I've managed to accumulate - which are STILL fun little guns to shoot. It's not really a fair comparison, the Single Six is just a top of the line .22 revolver, there's nothing in my mind to compare it to. The Heritage and the Wranger are within the same realm. Heritage does fun things like custom grips, oddball barrel lengths and the like, and the Wrangler is more like a "we'll keep to basics and do the basics well, thank you" kind of item. Either way, at the price range they're in, I have a feeling I'll collect a few more of these .22 plinksters just for fun....



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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

Snobbery is universal. I can understand it somewhat. When one gets
used to a premium product, everything else is "inferior" no matter it's strong or weak
points.

Yeah, I get that. But when something is NOT inherently inferior, and
actually is a great example of being built well and works great and
people only turn their nose AFTER they see the brand... You know,
they wouldn't have known the brand by the quality.




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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I'll be the first to admit that it's a guilty pleasure. As mentioned before, trigger pull is horrible, there's nowhere near enough barrel
for the rifling to stablize the projectile, sights are about on par
with a low-end J-frame.....

I just had to have it. I guess that's where I am in my collection, I
have the meat and potatos, now I'm adding the gravy.

I understand! We have more guns that we can ever shoot, but we are
always still looking at new stuff... Wife's father passed away, and
mother wanted to keep a pistol and a shotgun and wanted my wife to
have the rest of it, so earlier today I shot a Beretta 92FS and CZ75
for the first time. :-)

Wife is in the
same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab,
but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but
a couple of nice conversation starters....

I saw an add for an NAA last year. Never owned one and didn't have a
desire for one, but I LOVED the way this one looked. What did she
get?





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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!

Have a pair of Wranglers.

I only have one, but I did buy some upgraded grips for it...

I like my Single Six (older three-screw
model) better, but the Wranger is not bad at all.

I had a Single Six - was stolen in a break in. :( My father
in law, before he passed, gave me a Heritage with a magnum
cylinder and I got IMOP grips for it to 'mimic' my old
Single Six. I'm happy with it. :-)

Certainly better
than the Heritage Rough Riders I've managed to accumulate - which are STILL fun little guns to shoot. It's not really a fair comparison, the Single Six is just a top of the line .22 revolver, there's nothing in
my mind to compare it to.

Agreed! I bought a barkeep, though, and THAT is a fun little gun! :-) I
got the one with the simulated case hardened look and wood grips, and I
bought one of their etched cylinders for it and got a Desantis holster
for it. :-)

I bought another Heritage with black finish and black pearl grips - on
sale at Smokey Mountain Guns - got it home and the sites were off - BAD.

Sent it back and they replaced it, and the replacement is BETTER but still
not 'right.' I'm going to, one day, strip the finish on it and twist the
barral to fix it.

The Heritage and the Wranger are within the
same realm. Heritage does fun things like custom grips, oddball barrel lengths and the like, and the Wrangler is more like a "we'll keep to basics and do the basics well, thank you" kind of item. Either way, at
the price range they're in, I have a feeling I'll collect a few more of these .22 plinksters just for fun....

Yep! Right there with you! I also caught another little .22 on sale at
Rural King and picked it up. I can't remember the brand now - Cimmiron
maybe? What's 'different' about it is the barral is the same size as
a .45 but the 'hole' is for a .22.

Guess what I'm saying is that it is BIG and HEAVY...





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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Wife is in the
same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab,
but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but
a couple of nice conversation starters....

I saw an add for an NAA last year. Never owned one and didn't have a desire for one, but I LOVED the way this one looked. What did she
get?

She got a 1860 Sheriff .22 WMR. Hexagon barrel is engraved Independence Day 2022 and the grip has a US flag motif as well as the cylinder being blue with 50 white stars on it. Serial number begins with 1776. It's a bit larger than most NAA revolvers with a "typical" SAA shaped grip - although it IS smaller than on normal gun.

She also picked up a winter edition revolver. Pretty much the standard NAA style revolver, but cerakoted a light blue color with a mountain engraved on one side, snow flakes on the other and white pearlite grips. Came with a cross-draw holster as well.

She's not much of a shooter any more, although she does enjoy putting a few rounds through her Woodsman every now and again. Me... I've been having some shoulder issues so I can't shoot for very long or things start to get real achey... Still, I DO have some new acquisitions that are just begging to be shot.... my AR-12 being one of them....


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

Agreed! I bought a barkeep, though, and THAT is a fun little gun! :-) I got the one with the simulated case hardened look and wood grips, and I bought one of their etched cylinders for it and got a Desantis holster
for it. :-)

Not much impressed with the barkeep. Anything you have to carry a separate tool around just to eject the cases doesn't work for me. I suppose you could use the cylinder pin - if it will fit in the cylinder holes... I know the NAA revolvers are designed to use the cylinder pin to punch out empty shells.

I bought another Heritage with black finish and black pearl grips - on sale at Smokey Mountain Guns - got it home and the sites were off -
BAD.

Sent it back and they replaced it, and the replacement is BETTER but
still not 'right.' I'm going to, one day, strip the finish on it and
twist the barral to fix it.

Doesn't surprise me. Sights on the Heritage revolvers aren't that good to begin with, I can certainly understand if they're off as well. They certainly weren't designed to be target pistols, that's for sure. Still, if they are "minute of tin can" accurate that would be good enough for me.

We DID pick up a new Heritage Arms .22 revolver at the last gun show. This is a Billy the Kid commerative. Rough Rider 4" barrel with Billy the Kid's image inscribed on the grips. Blued cylinder, barrel, hammer and trigger, the frame itself has a case hardened appearance. Looks nice, hopefully it will shoot nice as well.

Yep! Right there with you! I also caught another little .22 on sale at Rural King and picked it up. I can't remember the brand now - Cimmiron maybe? What's 'different' about it is the barral is the same size as
a .45 but the 'hole' is for a .22.

Guess what I'm saying is that it is BIG and HEAVY...

I have some Cimmaron .45 revolvers, very nice pieces. Don't have one in .22 but from what I've seen of their .45's you probably got yourself a nice little .22 there....



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Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

She got a 1860 Sheriff .22 WMR. Hexagon barrel is engraved
Independence Day 2022 and the grip has a US flag motif as well as the cylinder being blue with 50 white stars on it. Serial number begins
with 1776. It's a bit larger than most NAA revolvers with a "typical"
SAA shaped grip - although it IS smaller than on normal gun.

Ah! Very cool! Sounds like a GREAT piece!

She also picked up a winter edition revolver. Pretty much the standard NAA style revolver, but cerakoted a light blue color with a mountain engraved on one side, snow flakes on the other and white pearlite
grips. Came with a cross-draw holster as well.

That's the one I'm sure I saw that made me go, "yeah, I'd like to have one of those..." but never bought it...

She's not much of a shooter any more, although she does enjoy putting a few rounds through her Woodsman every now and again. Me... I've been

My wife hasn't been shooting much either, lately, but it's HER idea next
week while on Fall Break to go to Natchez Trace State Park for a few days
and stay in a cabin to 'get away.' They have a shooting range and she's excited to take 'some of daddy's guns' up there to shoot...

having some shoulder issues so I can't shoot for very long or things
start to get real achey... Still, I DO have some new acquisitions that are just begging to be shot.... my AR-12 being one of them....

Ouch - yeah, I get that for sure... :(




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Not much impressed with the barkeep. Anything you have to carry a separate tool around just to eject the cases doesn't work for me. I suppose you could use the cylinder pin - if it will fit in the cylinder holes... I know the NAA revolvers are designed to use the cylinder pin
to punch out empty shells.

I don't mind it, and the holster I bought has a place to hold the
ejector thingy. :-)

Doesn't surprise me. Sights on the Heritage revolvers aren't that
good to begin with, I can certainly understand if they're off as well. They certainly weren't designed to be target pistols, that's for sure. Still, if they are "minute of tin can" accurate that would be good
enough for me.

LOL - very true - and that's good enough for me too. Or 'minute of torso'
for 20 yard plinking on metal targets. :-)

We DID pick up a new Heritage Arms .22 revolver at the last gun show. This is a Billy the Kid commerative. Rough Rider 4" barrel with Billy
the Kid's image inscribed on the grips. Blued cylinder, barrel, hammer and trigger, the frame itself has a case hardened appearance. Looks
nice, hopefully it will shoot nice as well.

Wow - does sound cool!

Yep! Right there with you! I also caught another little .22 on sale at Rural King and picked it up. I can't remember the brand now - Cimmiron maybe? What's 'different' about it is the barral is the same size as
a .45 but the 'hole' is for a .22.

Guess what I'm saying is that it is BIG and HEAVY...

I have some Cimmaron .45 revolvers, very nice pieces. Don't have one
in .22 but from what I've seen of their .45's you probably got yourself
a nice little .22 there....

It's better than the 'bad' Heritage I got... LOL



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