Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-
We have come up with some carbon capture devices. Frankly
I think part of the solution to reducing our footprint is
reducing how much we live with. My generation just lives in a
disposable world and always feels the need to have the latest and greatest. You can get by just fine with much less. The amount of disposable plastic in our lives is a great prime example adding
to that floating ocean trash heap. Apparently we are all full of microplastics as well, so that's great... beats the lead paint of
yester year?
I think as we make technology more compact and capable
without using as much power we can do a lot better than some
analog devices as far as energy managment in the home, but until
we all live a bit simpler, I do not see it improving.
Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-
The amount of disposable plastic in our lives
is a great prime example adding to that floating ocean trash heap.
Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-
The amount of disposable plastic in our lives
is a great prime example adding to that floating ocean trash heap.
I've heard talk of the number of empty disposable water bottles in the middle-east from the seemingly endless wars is untenable - an Army
report cited 864,000 bottles a month, with more in hot months.
Whatever happened to canteens?
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Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. No need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. No need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already
purified water (that would otherwise be in tiny bottles) and
introduce less waste and micro plastics to the environment.
Re: Re: Energy
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 11 2023 23:32:00
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already purified water (th
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Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already
purified water (that would otherwise be in tiny bottles) and
introduce less waste and micro plastics to the environment.
I think maybe you don't have a good understanding of how the military operates, and what their priorities are.
... All the easy problems have been solved.
We have come up with some carbon capture devices. Frankly I think pa > atest. You can get by just fine with much less. The amount of disposable pla > of yester year?
I think as we make technology more compact and capable without using >
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I think as we make technology more compact and capable
without using as much power we can do a lot better than some
analog devices as far as energy managment in the home, but until
we all live a bit simpler, I do not see it improving.
Uh-huh. You first.
Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-
Whatever happened to canteens?
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already
purified water (that would otherwise be in tiny bottles) and
introduce less waste and micro plastics to the environment.
I think maybe you don't have a good understanding of how the military operates, and what their priorities are.
Pallet s of bottled water is an off the shelf commercial solution
that is easily transportable. The bottles have a long shelf
life.
Re: Re: Energy
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 11 2023 23:32:00
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottles. No need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requiresparts and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already purified water (that would otherwise be in tiny bottles) and introduce less waste and micro plastics to the environment.
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Re: Re: Energy
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Limawhiskey on Tue Jul 11 2023 06:42 am
Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-
Whatever happened to canteens?
There are still many down in New Mexico. Some day I want to visit one and re
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There are still many down in New Mexico. Some day I want to visit one and re
Sounds like you're confusing a canteen(water carrier commonly associated with soldiers and boy scouts) and a cantina (a place to chill out and drink.)
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Bottled water is convenient because it's already in disposable bottl need to fill canteens.
In places where water is scarce, it is easier to truck in pallets of bottled water than it is to install a water purifier that requirespa and maintenence to keep them operable.
Or, they could use large, reusable water tanks of already
purified water (that would otherwise be in tiny bottles) and introduce less waste and micro plastics to the environment.
I think maybe you don't have a good understanding of how the military operates, and what their priorities are.
Pallet s of bottled water is an off the shelf commercial solution
that is easily transportable. The bottles have a long shelf
life.
I know. I think maybe you have misunderstood my reply to Tracker1 right above. That's exactly the point of what I was saying about the military priorities. Also that the impact to the environment is not a huge
concern. See?
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Re: Re: Energy
By: Moondog to Mickey on Thu Jul 13 2023 09:31 pm
There are still many down in New Mexico. Some day I want to visit one re
Sounds like you're confusing a canteen(water carrier commonly associated with soldiers and boy scouts) and a cantina (a place to chill out and drink.)
Damn, I thought cantina was spanglish for a canteen. :-)
Mickey
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Central Ontario Remote BBS
centralontarioremote.com:2323
Large water tanks require space to accomodate their form factor. If large enough, they require equipment to load and unload them. If a pallet full of small water bottles had to be unloaded and no lift truck or pallet jack was available, the contents could be unloaded by hand. Cut the packing wrap and grab some bottles.
Frankly, it makes more sense to keep using old cars and computers and devices until they break down than it does to build a more efficient one to replace a working old machine.
The problem is that with this efficency craze we have started, we are achievingthe opposite effect of what s intended. If you use an old car you will see
people get angry at you because you are taking the ecological option instead ofgetting a more efficient car XD
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
Frankly, it makes more sense to keep using old cars and computers and devices until they break down than it does to build a more efficient one to replace a working old machine.
The problem is that with this efficency craze we have started, we are achievingthe opposite effect of what s intended. If you use an old car you will see
people get angry at you because you are taking the ecological option instead ofgetting a more efficient car XD
+1 on this... People dramatically underestimate the impact of
actually building new cars, especially with really big lithium
battery packs. But zOMG, it's electric, it's not burning gas.
Except the gas used to strip mine the minierals used to make the
thing, the deisel used to transport the components halfway around
the world multiple times, etc.
It's "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" not "buy new shiney" for a reason.
+1 on this... People dramatically underestimate the impact of actuallyuilding
new cars, especially with really big lithium battery packs. But zOMG, it'sle
tric, it's not burning gas. Except the gas used to strip mine the minieralss
d to make the thing, the deisel used to transport the components halfwayround
the world multiple times, etc.
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
It's "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" not "buy new shiney" for a reason.
But... to counter the comments above by Arelor, where he said people get angry at you for sticking with an old car... Is a person *obligated* to conform to that "Reduce/Reuse/Recycle" mantra? If a person has the
means to "buy new shiney" when they choose to (regardless if the
existing car is worn out), should they be villianized for doing so?
I say they shouldn't be.
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
It's "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" not "buy new shiney" for a reason.
We all need to buy and fix up 2000-2007 Toyotas and Hondas. Seems like
that period was a sweet spot for low TCO and long mileage.
I'd buy a 4 cylinder Camry from that time period, have it detailed and
drive it for another 200K miles in a heartbeat.
... Curious ideas wait for stranger times
Re: Re: Energy
By: Gamgee to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 16 2023 08:36 am
But... to counter the comments above by Arelor, where he said people get angry at you for sticking with an old car... Is a person *obligated* to conform to that "Reduce/Reuse/Recycle" mantra? If a person has the
means to "buy new shiney" when they choose to (regardless if the
existing car is worn out), should they be villianized for doing so?
I say they shouldn't be.
I would have less of a problem if people didn't want me to buy new things al the time.
As it stands, society is structured around the idea that you *WILL* abbandon old working machinery, and if you don't, you *WILL* be villanized.
You see it all the time. Some guy has a *modern* feature phone and one day h is told he will be required to use an Android or iOS App to access services could use without any special means 10 years ago. If he does not get a smartphone which he only needs because somebody has decided he needs it, and discards the other one, he will be mocked no end.
"Why do you keep using a scythe? Nobody uses that one anymore! Get a lawn trimmer, you fossile!" -> then 4 years later they ban oil powered gardening equipment and you get mocked for trying to use the trimmer you bought in ord to keep up with the times.
I can count with the tentacles of a tentacled monster from a hentai comic th number of times they have told me I should not be driving a car from 1989.
It is specially bad with computer equipment because it goes obsolete blazing fast without a need for it to become obsolete. You need to step out of the commercial software sphere in order to keep using your computer for a reasonable ammount of time and then you become the weird guy who uses ancien machines. He probably has no social life and can't talk to girls. You know h these computer guys are.
So in sight of these facts, evertime somebody admonishes me for not buying n stuff while burning through cars and phones and *fucking houses* themselves. well, they are gonna get my finger.
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As it stands, society is structured around the idea that you *WILL* abbandon old working machinery, and if you don't, you *WILL* be villanized.
Moondog wrote to Arelor <=-
If it works and you can maintain it, run it until it dies or begins costing more money to operate it. Even in computers there is a point
when items such as memory lose value, the gain value again when they become rare or scarce.
Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Energy
By: Gamgee to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 16 2023 08:36 am
But... to counter the comments above by Arelor, where he said people get angry at you for sticking with an old car... Is a person *obligated* to conform to that "Reduce/Reuse/Recycle" mantra? If a person has the
means to "buy new shiney" when they choose to (regardless if the
existing car is worn out), should they be villianized for doing so?
I say they shouldn't be.
I would have less of a problem if people didn't want me to buy
new things all the time.
As it stands, society is structured around the idea that you
*WILL* abbandon old working machinery, and if you don't, you
*WILL* be villanized.
You see it all the time. Some guy has a *modern* feature phone
and one day he is told he will be required to use an Android or
iOS App to access services he could use without any special means
10 years ago. If he does not get a smartphone which he only needs
because somebody has decided he needs it, and discards the other
one, he will be mocked no end.
"Why do you keep using a scythe? Nobody uses that one anymore!
Get a lawn trimmer, you fossile!" -> then 4 years later they ban
oil powered gardening equipment and you get mocked for trying to
use the trimmer you bought in order to keep up with the times.
I can count with the tentacles of a tentacled monster from a
hentai comic the number of times they have told me I should not
be driving a car from 1989.
It is specially bad with computer equipment because it goes
obsolete blazing fast without a need for it to become obsolete.
You need to step out of the commercial software sphere in order
to keep using your computer for a reasonable ammount of time and
then you become the weird guy who uses ancient machines. He
probably has no social life and can't talk to girls. You know how
these computer guys are.
So in sight of these facts, evertime somebody admonishes me for
not buying new stuff while burning through cars and phones and
*fucking houses* themselves... well, they are gonna get my
finger.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
It's "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" not "buy new shiney" for a reason.
We all need to buy and fix up 2000-2007 Toyotas and Hondas.
Seems like
that period was a sweet spot for low TCO and long mileage.
I'd buy a 4 cylinder Camry from that time period, have it
detailed and drive it for another 200K miles in a heartbeat.
Do you REALLY get villainized or do you just feel that way? I have and use a > lot of old things.. I think at the most I get awkward smiles when people lau > to themselves that I'm using those old things, but I don't feel "villainized > per se.
Re: Re: Energy
By: Arelor to Gamgee on Sun Jul 16 2023 06:27 pm
As it stands, society is structured around the idea that you *WILL* abban old working machinery, and if you don't, you *WILL* be villanized.
Do you REALLY get villainized or do you just feel that way? I have and use a lot of old things.. I think at the most I get awkward smiles when people lau to themselves that I'm using those old things, but I don't feel "villainized per se.
Maybe I just don't care much what other people think.
Moondog wrote to Arelor <=-
If it works and you can maintain it, run it until it dies or begins costing more money to operate it. Even in computers there is a point when items such as memory lose value, the gain value again when they become rare or scarce.
I'm shopping for a new computer mostly because I'm starting a business
and can write off start-up costs. I'm having a hard time because my
beat-up old computer is pretty good - it's from 2013 or so.
The only thing that historically drives me to buy a new system are increasing upgrade costs. As parts become harder to find, the costs go
up.
With my last computer, finding DDR2 ECC RAM became so cost-prohibitive I picked up a newer generation computer with more memory for what the DDR2 memory would cost. Not having USB 3.0 expansion meant I needed to buy an add-on card, adding to the cost.
This time I'm looking to buy more RAM than I need right now, and move to NVMe storage.
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I think it was China who is attempting to keep their economy strong by penalizing owners of older cars. Cars before 2013 do not meet their current
I think it was China who is attempting to keep their economy strong by penalizing owners of older cars. Cars before 2013 do not meet their current emissions guidelines, and cannot be licensed or insured.
bbandoAs it stands, society is structured around the idea that you *WILL*
aughold working machinery, and if you don't, you *WILL* be villanized.
Do you REALLY get villainized or do you just feel that way? I have and use a lot of old things.. I think at the most I get awkward smiles when people
to themselves that I'm using those old things, but I don't feel "villainized" per se.
Maybe I just don't care much what other people think.
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