And then all the pro-privacy arguments were done on Youtube, owned by one of the most privacy unfriendly corporations on Earth.
And then all the pro-privacy arguments were done on Youtube, owned by one of the most privacy unfriendly corporations on Earth.
Thats an understatement. I forget where exactly but I saw a video presentation by
someone at google about the lengths they will go to track you even in a private browser
session.
yeah what happened to do no evil
Hasn't affected their popularity though. Humans are happy with evil if it is convienient for them.yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.
yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.Hasn't affected their popularity though. Humans are happy with evil if
it is convienient for them.
yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.Hasn't affected their popularity though. Humans are happy with evil if it is convienient for them.
So true. Used to be a time when people wanted things like privacy simply for privacy's sake. Remember phone booths? Now people know (even if vaguely) that Google/Apple/Amazon are listening in yet they still buy "smart speakers" etc for the convenience.
yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.Hasn't affected their popularity though. Humans are happy with evil if it is convienient for them.
So true. Used to be a time when people wanted things like privacy simply for privacy's sake. Remember phone booths? Now people know (even if vaguely) tha Google/Apple/Amazon are listening in yet they still buy "smart speakers" etc for the convenience.
our phones and the services we use on desktop computers are most certainly spying the fuck out of us.
several apps and browsers and cookies are all part of it.
it's too late, we handed it to them. we wont get our privacy back.
it's too late, we handed it to them. we wont get our privacy back.
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 11.02.22 - 16:56, MRO wrote to Otto Reverse:
it's too late, we handed it to them. we wont get our privacy back.
A lament on privacy from 1972..
https://kolico.ca/mpg/TGC1972-privacy.mp4
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Otto Reverse to Boraxman on Fri Feb 11 2022 12:35 pm
yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.Hasn't affected their popularity though. Humans are happy with evil it is convienient for them.
So true. Used to be a time when people wanted things like privacy simply privacy's sake. Remember phone booths? Now people know (even if vaguely) that Google/Apple/Amazon are listening in yet they still buy "smart speakers" etc for the convenience.
our phones and the services we use on desktop computers are most certainly s several apps and browsers and cookies are all part of it.
it's too late, we handed it to them. we wont get our privacy back.
A lament on privacy from 1972..
https://kolico.ca/mpg/TGC1972-privacy.mp4
Time to start pushing back, through example.
The mistake was the "open internet", where everything that
people did was automatically public. We got to thinking
that when we use the "Internet", it must be public. The
Internet is really just a means of conveying data packets
from one machine to another, and there is nothing which
says this should be visible to all.
We've made ourselves not expect privacy, and therefore
don't really deserve it. Back in the 90's, when you
messaged on a BBS, is stayed there. Now when you do, it
gets broadcast everywhere. This message will be public,
even though you have to get an account to post it, and the
server (BBS) has to sign up to spread it.
ANDEDDU wrote to <=-
yeah what happened to do no evil
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.
There are videos on Youtube that show how to Un-Google an Android phone, and it's funny to see how less useful they become. Even apps in the app store collect telemetry, so you have to install less mainstream open source apps and put up with less polished function or ease of use.
Wifi triangulation still cannot be shut off, so keep that in mind. The Pine64 linux phone contains dip switches under back case half to physically sh ut off wifi and cameras and mics and gps
There are videos on Youtube that show how to Un-Google an Android phone, and it's funny to see how less useful they become. Even apps in the app store collect telemetry, so you have to install less mainstream open source apps and put up with less polished function or ease of use.
Wifi triangulation still cannot be shut off, so keep that in mind. The Pine64 linux phone contains dip switches under back case half to physically ut off wifi and cameras and mics and gps
when I first participated in email, I was amused that it was so
easy to route one's email through any particular server that
would allow it. I believe the technique was using the ! symbol
(bang path notation). The "net" seemed to be open to the finger
command too.
The "narrative" from higher-up was not to expect privacy
before then, I don't think most people expected to have the
content of their email and activities on the internet
monitored.
Convenience does seem to trump privacy though. :(
Check out my post here a few months ago:
MID: 723:320/1.9@dovenet f4270dd1
Subject: Privacy is Power: take back your control
Date: Su 05.09.21, 23:46
The book outlines very practical steps that people can adopt.
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.
Yup. I try my best to de-google my web browsers.
What search engine do you use? And do you think it returns the same quality results as Google?
I've thought about moving away from Google, though I've gotten very used to Gmail, and I've been using Android phones for years..
Nightfox
You could use Startpage, which is a proxy/frontend to google.
Duckduckgo is also popular. It is a proxy/frontend for Bing.
Then there are tonnes of Metasearchers, such as a lot of freely available Searx instances., or Xaarky.
Take for example meeting people in a pub, you have a conversation. You would NOT expect the entire world to be able to view that conversation. Maybe others in the pub will overhear, but it's not searchable. Or you join a Linux Users Group and you discuss having a BBQ with others at a meeting, again, that would be just for those in the group, not something that people in Russia or around your city would find out about. People wouldn't be able to know who went where and when.
But when it comes to the "internet", we kind of don't apply those standards. A group is public. Take fsxNet, we were discussing a meet up in Melbourne. This should be considered something only relevant to those in fsxNet, but you would (when we plan to), be able to Google search the event, and anyone in the world would know who went where and when. This doesn't sit right with me, it is very weird, but we still haven't gotten used to that.
In a way,, I'm advocating a more closed Internet. Web pages, public forums should remain public, but communication should be, by default, by convention and politeness, be only for the audience participating.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:31 am
There are videos on Youtube that show how to Un-Google an Android phone, it's funny to see how less useful they become. Even apps in the app stor collect telemetry, so you have to install less mainstream open source app and put up with less polished function or ease of use.
Wifi triangulation still cannot be shut off, so keep that in mind. The Pine64 linux phone contains dip switches under back case half to physical ut off wifi and cameras and mics and gps
I've seen some of Rob Braxman's videos. I'm OK with reduced functionality. current phone is over 10 years old, it still has a keyboard, so I don't need much. A web browser, phone, SMS and a telnet and/or SSH client will do my fine. Play some music and I'm set.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to ANDEDDU on Sun Feb 13 2022 08:38 pm
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.
Yup. I try my best to de-google my web browsers.
What search engine do you use? And do you think it returns the same quality of results as Google?
as Google?Yup. I try my best to de-google my web browsers.
What search engine do you use? And do you think it returns the same quality of results
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to ANDEDDU on Sun Feb 13 2022 08:38 pm
They removed that motto back in 2018 after doing a lot of evil.
Yup. I try my best to de-google my web browsers.
What search engine do you use? And do you think it returns the same quality results as Google?
I've thought about moving away from Google, though I've gotten very used to Gmail, and I've been using Android phones for years..
Nightfox
I can certainly see your point. It's sort of like when my aunt (who is not very tech savvy) thinks she is sending a private message to me in Facebook, she actually posts that message on her wall for everyone to see. She intende for it to be a private conversation, but now everyone on her friend's list c see it. Also, if her setting on FB are set a certain way, the entire planet see it just through a simple Google search. If it were a personal matter, t it only gets worse from there.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:18 pm
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:31 am
There are videos on Youtube that show how to Un-Google an Android phon it's funny to see how less useful they become. Even apps in the app s collect telemetry, so you have to install less mainstream open source and put up with less polished function or ease of use.
Wifi triangulation still cannot be shut off, so keep that in mind. Th Pine64 linux phone contains dip switches under back case half to physi ut off wifi and cameras and mics and gps
I've seen some of Rob Braxman's videos. I'm OK with reduced functionalit current phone is over 10 years old, it still has a keyboard, so I don't n much. A web browser, phone, SMS and a telnet and/or SSH client will do m fine. Play some music and I'm set.
Believe it or not I was happy with my personal phone being a flip phone with a pre-paid one year plan. If work required me to have a smart phone, the company would issue me one and i would noit install any non-business apps on it.
Anyways, 3G is being dropped in my area and has been decreasing all around m area. I was forced to upgrade. Tracfone had a special going on, and I got Samsung A11 for free after the discount.
Indeed. But I too have been caught by that, thinking that what was posted on a BBS, was for the BBS, only to find it comes up in a Google search.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Mon Feb 14 2022 11:39 am
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:18 pm
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:31 am
There are videos on Youtube that show how to Un-Google an Android p it's funny to see how less useful they become. Even apps in the ap collect telemetry, so you have to install less mainstream open sour and put up with less polished function or ease of use.
Wifi triangulation still cannot be shut off, so keep that in mind. Pine64 linux phone contains dip switches under back case half to ph ut off wifi and cameras and mics and gps
I've seen some of Rob Braxman's videos. I'm OK with reduced functiona current phone is over 10 years old, it still has a keyboard, so I don' much. A web browser, phone, SMS and a telnet and/or SSH client will d fine. Play some music and I'm set.
Believe it or not I was happy with my personal phone being a flip phone w a pre-paid one year plan. If work required me to have a smart phone, the company would issue me one and i would noit install any non-business apps it.
Anyways, 3G is being dropped in my area and has been decreasing all aroun area. I was forced to upgrade. Tracfone had a special going on, and I g Samsung A11 for free after the discount.
Work sort of requires me to have one. More specifically, they expect me to apps that don't work on mine. I generally can get away with it, but have ha to borrow my wifes to get an program set up or two. Why I would have to giv
Chinese company my phone number and name, so that someone who lives in the same city (and in some cases, works in the same office) can message me is beyond me. These people just don't think of how silly this is. I get peopl complaining that I'm "uncontactable" despite having a phone, SMS, e-mail, MS teams, Zoom. But because I don't run this stupid other app which is probabl tool for Chinese spying and surveillance, it causes problems.
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Boraxman to SYS64738 on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:12 pm
Indeed. But I too have been caught by that, thinking that what was posted on a BBS, was for the BBS, only to find it comes up in a Google search.
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum messages posted on a BBS can be read and searched on the web.
Nightfox
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
And miss out on all the insightful gems on FTN networks?
- Andre
Work sort of requires me to have one. More specifically, they expect me apps that don't work on mine. I generally can get away with it, but have to borrow my wifes to get an program set up or two. Why I would have to
Chinese company my phone number and name, so that someone who lives in t same city (and in some cases, works in the same office) can message me is beyond me. These people just don't think of how silly this is. I get pe complaining that I'm "uncontactable" despite having a phone, SMS, e-mail, teams, Zoom. But because I don't run this stupid other app which is prob tool for Chinese spying and surveillance, it causes problems.
I agree. Companies I have done work for also have a layer of management on the phone that allows for them to push apps tothe phone, and even wipe it remotely. I wouldn't want to get all comfy using my company cell for personal use, then lose everything due to a staff reduction.
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:33 am
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Boraxman to SYS64738 on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:12 pm
Indeed. But I too have been caught by that, thinking that what was posted on a BBS, was for the BBS, only to find it comes up in a Goog search.
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum messa posted on a BBS can be read and searched on the web.
Nightfox
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Agreed. Guest access when you had to dial in made sense, but now, it opens yourself up for abuse.
What perplexes me, is that there are people I know (admittedly few), who share these concerns, greatly, but still buy these items. One I know
will talk about Big Tech censorship, how Google skews its searches and manipulates us, but you can "Hey Google" in his house and Google
responds!
I think in part people arguing that privacy isn't important is a cope. They feel powerless, unwilling to fight or make the harder consumer choices to maintain freedom, so they just reorganise their values to
suit the situation pushed upon then.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Tue Feb 15 2022 11:44 am
Work sort of requires me to have one. More specifically, they expect apps that don't work on mine. I generally can get away with it, but h to borrow my wifes to get an program set up or two. Why I would have
Chinese company my phone number and name, so that someone who lives i same city (and in some cases, works in the same office) can message me beyond me. These people just don't think of how silly this is. I get complaining that I'm "uncontactable" despite having a phone, SMS, e-ma teams, Zoom. But because I don't run this stupid other app which is p tool for Chinese spying and surveillance, it causes problems.
I agree. Companies I have done work for also have a layer of management the phone that allows for them to push apps tothe phone, and even wipe it remotely. I wouldn't want to get all comfy using my company cell for personal use, then lose everything due to a staff reduction.
I don't care if it is a work phone, I'd want them to give me one. They want to install this on my own personal phone.
What perplexes me, is that there are people I know (admittedly few), wh share these concerns, greatly, but still buy these items. One I know will talk about Big Tech censorship, how Google skews its searches and manipulates us, but you can "Hey Google" in his house and Google responds!
I think in part people arguing that privacy isn't important is a cope. They feel powerless, unwilling to fight or make the harder consumer choices to maintain freedom, so they just reorganise their values to suit the situation pushed upon then.
No doubt. That is probably where the "I have nothing to hide" refrain comes from.
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
I agree. Companies I have done work for also have a layer of
management on the phone that allows for them to push apps tothe phone,
and even wipe it remotely. I wouldn't want to get all comfy using my company cell for personal use, then lose everything due to a staff reduction.
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts the BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do
you know that have their messages web accessible?
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts the BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that have their messages web accessible?
--- DIGITAL MAN wrote ---
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Phigan to MRO on Sat Feb 26 2022 09:25 pm
I used to have a web interface. I should bring it back. I had it because I worked for EDS at the time and they had a proper firewall.that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that putsthe
BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that havetheir
messages web accessible?
Most Synchronet BBSes (e.g. web.synchro.net).
--
Mewcenary wrote to Phigan <=-
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts the
BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do
you know that have their messages web accessible?
Synchronet itself does this.
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts the B messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that have their messages web accessible?
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts the BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that have their messages web accessible?
Got nothing to hide? Then get naked!
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Phigan to MRO on Sat Feb 26 2022 09:25 pm
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts th messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that have their messages web accessible?
Echicken's one comes to mind, the first of all.
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts
the B messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that
have their messages web accessible?
Echicken's one comes to mind, the first of all.
And a nice layout that echicken's web forum interface has also. The best that I know of.
not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
Got nothing to hide? Then get naked!
Be glad this is a text-only medium! lol
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:20 pm
Yep.. Manye BBSes today have web interfaces where the public forum
that's why guest access to that shit should be turned off.
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts th messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that have their messages web accessible?
Echicken's one comes to mind, the first of all.
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
And a nice layout that echicken's web forum interface has also. The best that I know of.
Many Synchronet BBSes have their messages available via the web. Many Synchronet sysops choose to enable this by forwarding the web port to their BBS machine. But a sysop could easily disable that functionality by not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
I used to run vBulletin on Apache with the plug-in that linked it with my BBS via Synchronet's news server, but I decided to stop doing that. I think echicken's webv4 started to approach the kind of functionality included in things like vBulletin, so I didn't really think it was worth it to continue paying for vBulletin's ongoing fees.
On 02-26-22 21:25, Phigan wrote to MRO <=-
Where is an example of this? So far, I only know of MajorBBS that puts
the BBS messages in a web forum as well. What BBSes do you know that
have their messages web accessible?
On 02-27-22 15:57, Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
Many Synchronet BBSes have their messages available via the web. Many Synchronet sysops choose to enable this by forwarding the web port to their BBS machine. But a sysop could easily disable that functionality
by not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
Many Synchronet BBSes have their messages available via the web.
Many Synchronet sysops choose to enable this by forwarding the web
port to their BBS machine. But a sysop could easily disable that
functionality by not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's
also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
I love (not) how people assume we're all running behind a NAT. What port forwarding? ;)
You have all your ports exposed publicly to the internet?
You have all your ports exposed publicly to the internet? Or perhaps there's an alternative to NAT that I'm not aware of..?
I thought pretty much everyone with internet at home would be using a router, and I thought NAT a standard feature of a router
for some level of protection.
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Feb 28 2022 03:42 pm
Many Synchronet BBSes have their messages available via the web.
Many Synchronet sysops choose to enable this by forwarding the web
port to their BBS machine. But a sysop could easily disable that
functionality by not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's
also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
I love (not) how people assume we're all running behind a NAT. What por forwarding? ;)
You have all your ports exposed publicly to the internet? Or perhaps there' an alternative to NAT that I'm not aware of..?
I thought pretty much everyone with internet at home would be using a router and I thought NAT a standard feature of a router for some level of protectio
Nightfox
Re: the nothing to hide a
By: cr1mson to Arelor on Sun Feb 27 2022 01:39 pm
And a nice layout that echicken's web forum interface has also. The bes that I know of.
I used to run vBulletin on Apache with the plug-in that linked it with my BB via Synchronet's news server, but I decided to stop doing that. I think echicken's webv4 started to approach the kind of functionality included in things like vBulletin, so I didn't really think it was worth it to continue paying for vBulletin's ongoing fees.
Nightfox
On 02-27-22 15:57, Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
Many Synchronet BBSes have their messages available via the web. Many Synchronet sysops choose to enable this by forwarding the web port to their BBS machine. But a sysop could easily disable that functionality by not forwarding the web port, and I'm sure there's also a setting in Synchronet to have it not run its web server.
I love (not) how people assume we're all running behind a NAT. What port forwarding? ;)
I actually remember that from way-back. I too used your script with Synchonet and vBulletin. It was nice to import SBBS users into the forum and transfer messages between the two. That was quite nice back then. But ya, things have changed since then and echicken's approach fulfills certainly my needs as well as others. I still use the legacy telnet to write messages but it's nice to have a web-base forum with messages too that don't use telnet and particularly like the web side of things.
On 02-27-22 22:25, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You have all your ports exposed publicly to the internet? Or perhaps there's an alternative to NAT that I'm not aware of..? I thought pretty much everyone with internet at home would be using a router, and I
thought NAT a standard feature of a router for some level of
protection.
On 02-28-22 05:03, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
well, we're assuming people here are somewhat powerusers, and they have multiple computers and devices. also it helps to have some type of hardware firewall up. ---
On 02-28-22 05:03, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
well, we're assuming people here are somewhat powerusers, and they have multiple computers and devices. also it helps to have some type of hardware firewall up. ---
That still doesn't necessarily mean NAT. Firewalls have been around _much_ longer than NAT.
... People are always available for work in the past tense.
well, we're assuming people here are somewhat powerusers, and they
have multiple computers and devices. also it helps to have some
type of hardware firewall up. ---
That still doesn't necessarily mean NAT. Firewalls have been around _much_ longer than NAT.
thought pretty much everyone with internet at home would be using a
router, and I thought NAT a standard feature of a router for some
level of protection.
NAT != security. You've fallen for the big myth that NAT is somehow more secure. All it does is screw up some protocols (FTP anyone?), and puts arbitrary limits on incoming traffic (2 BBSs on the same port, NO WAY!).
;) iptables on Linux does an excellent job
The only thing IPTABLES is good at is that it's stable and free. It's archai and damn near useless for anything other than port blocking and logging traffic.
I am more of a pf fan than an iptables fan, but Iptables is actually fine for redirecting, man-in-the-middleing and doing other tricks other than blocking and logging.
I am more of a pf fan than an iptables fan, but Iptables is actually fine redirecting, man-in-the-middleing and doing other tricks other than blocki and logging.
Yes, but that's not IPTABLES doing any of that. All it's doing is managing packet routing and state (I know I'm oversimplifying it, but let's be realistic about what people actually do with it most of the time).
- Andre
On 03-04-22 05:11, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
so what are we arguing about? you neek saying NAT over and over again.
On 03-04-22 05:36, Andre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That still doesn't necessarily mean NAT. Firewalls have been around _much_ longer than NAT.
Probably does. Most home users only have a single IP.
Firewalls only preceeded NAT by few years, and stateful firewalls came
a couple years after NAT.
On 03-04-22 05:41, Andre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You're both conflating NAT and PAT, and neither of them screw up protocols. Stateful firewalls screw up protocols if they're
misconfigured and not tracking the full conversation.
On 03-04-22 05:11, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
so what are we arguing about? you neek saying NAT over and over again.
Maybe try reading the message. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
On 02-27-22 22:25, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
NAT != security. You've fallen for the big myth that NAT is somehow
more secure. All it does is screw up some protocols (FTP anyone?), and puts arbitrary limits on incoming traffic (2 BBSs on the same port, NO WAY!).
Re: Re: the nothing to hide a
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Mar 06 2022 08:43 pm
On 03-04-22 05:11, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
so what are we arguing about? you neek saying NAT over and over
again.
Maybe try reading the message. :)
you: nat nat nat. it's not nat. nat nat nat
On 03-04-22 06:56, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's in no way a secure model, but I liked my first setup, where I had
a single IP address and a Linux box with 2 network cards. I ran all of
my services on the box directly with iptables running, and NATed the
rest of my lan over the second card.
Easy, less hassle with NAT, and everything worked.
Quoting Boraxman to Ogg <=-I totally agree. We don't expect privacy so it isn't an issue for many
Jazzy J wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Quoting Boraxman to Ogg <=-
I totally agree. We don't expect privacy so it isn't an issue for many people.
I'm a quad, and I have Amazon Services throughout the house. For
myself, the abdication of my privacy isn't a convenience, it is how I
can be as independent as I can.
Security v. Freedom is a lofty argument. The more something is secure,
the less freedom we have. Many people forget this and want 100% of
both. Well, there is nothing that is ever 100% secure nor is there anything that is ever 100% free -- I think of how much a "free" dog
costs in medical bills after the fact.
The best someone can do is strive to strike a balance between the two.
However, for most people, they don't understand the concept of IoT and never update their TVs, refrigerators, toasters, you name it. Whatever they have in their LANs that pull an IP is vulnerable and a security
risk.
People also don't value their information. They don't understand that
the myriad of trash they are getting in their email or twit feed, etc.
is largely their own making.
Before we can increase electronic security, we need the public to be educated on what electronic security touches. I think the average
person would be confounded and overwhelmed with some of the specifics.
Jazzy J
Most Synchronet BBSes (e.g. web.synchro.net).
| Sysop: | Coz |
|---|---|
| Location: | Anoka, MN |
| Users: | 2 |
| Nodes: | 4 (0 / 4) |
| Uptime: | 113:11:16 |
| Calls: | 162 |
| Files: | 5,327 |
| Messages: | 222,477 |
