How do you guys feel about AI?

I pretty much hate it. I'm not scared of it, but maybe i should be, but so far i think it's total shit and i think some AI developers are being shady about scraping sites and videos for information. I've seen a few videos were people would not admit to what data their AI model uses.


for me, i find it annoying. the output is really wordy but has very little content for the most part. Furthermore, so far most of it is not
very accurate.

it's craaaap

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I pretty much hate it. I'm not scared of it, but maybe i should be, but
so far i think it's total shit and i think some AI developers are being shady about scraping sites and videos for information. I've seen a few videos were people would not admit to what data their AI model uses.

I mean - I don't like that we're here, but we are. I find them helpful for some things today... I've been poking around local models more than ChatGPT 3.5/4.0... ollama, PrivateGPT w/ GPU - and the models that have been released to the public are pretty decent.

The truth is - they're going to scrape ALL the data. Sure; it'll be in the media that they used YouTube for video creation, reddit for userspace information - but the real gotcha is that they're going to use our last 20 years of posting publicly; we 100% were the product.



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Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to All on Sat Mar 16 2024 02:37 am

How do you guys feel about AI?

I pretty much hate it. I'm not scared of it, but maybe i should be, but so f > i think it's total shit and i think some AI developers are being shady about >

for me, i find it annoying. the output is really wordy but has very little c > very accurate.

it's craaaap

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I pretty much agree. Current consumer-grade AI is utter bullshit.

It is compounding a problem we already had: crappy websites with zero useful content that plague search engine results. It used to be bad. Now, machine generated sites are making the most common subjects unbrowsable because anything useful will be buried undr a sea of AI crap.

I have found some fringe search engines to be useful to mitigate this. For example, Marginalia has a mode in which sites with advertisements are excluded from results, and since most of the AI crap is done for profit, it removes so much of it. Wiby is also ok in this regard. The bad news is these search engines have small indexes.

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On 17 Mar 2024, Arelor said the following...

How do you guys feel about AI?

I pretty much hate it. I'm not scared of it, but maybe i should be, but for me, i find it annoying. the output is really wordy but has very lit

very accurate.

it's craaaap

I pretty much agree. Current consumer-grade AI is utter bullshit.

It is compounding a problem we already had: crappy websites with zero useful content that plague search engine results. It used to be bad.
Now, machine generated sites are making the most common subjects unbrowsable because anything useful will be buried undr a sea of AI crap.

Honestly, I was hopeful that AI could help us weed out the rubbish from the web. But instead, it's like they've thrown more gasoline onto the fire. And now we're stuck with even fewer options, forced to rely on obscure search engines just to find something halfway decent. It's a vicious cycle of mediocrity and frustration.

I wish there was some way to put an end to this AI apocalypse or at least create a filter to sift through all the trash. But for now, we're stuck playing a constant game of cat and mouse with the endless flood of useless information, hoping for a glimpse of something worthwhile. Cheers to the digital struggle, I guess. *lifts glass in mock toast*

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Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to All on Sat Mar 16 2024 02:37 am

How do you guys feel about AI?
for me, i find it annoying. the output is really wordy but has very little content for the most part. Furthermore, so far most
of it is not very accurate.

I find it interesting. No idea what will happen, but I feel like it's becoming more known so by and by it's just going to at least get more interesting over time.

Some interesting tales of development have come out of it, like the time ChatGPT went maximum lewd. (https://youtu.be/qV_rOlHjvvs?si=9y8fgU2r1V5wP4YF)

-A.

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Re: ai sucks ass
By: Android8675 to MRO on Mon Mar 18 2024 10:48 am

Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to All on Sat Mar 16 2024 02:37 am

How do you guys feel about AI?
for me, i find it annoying. the output is really wordy but has very little content for the most part. Furthermore, so far most
of it is not very accurate.

I find it interesting. No idea what will happen, but I feel like it's becoming more known so by and by it's just going to at least get more interesting over time.

apparently right now you can post a video of someone talking and change
the words and nobody can notice.
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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: fusion to Arelor on Sun Mar 17 2024 05:36 pm


The worst is the AI phone systems. I've wasted as much as 3 HOURS with that at LOWES over an order gone wrong once. I got 'forwarded' by 1 human (finally reached but not allowing me to exolain the full problem. Twice I was forwarded to the same person and 3 times to another same person.

Finally I was sent to tier 3 and it got resolved. The military systems like TSP are almost impossible to navigate,

xxcarol

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Carol Shenkenberger to fusion on Mon Mar 18 2024 05:08 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: fusion to Arelor on Sun Mar 17 2024 05:36 pm

The worst is the AI phone systems. I've wasted as much as 3 HOURS with that at LOWES over an order gone wrong once. I got 'forwarded' by 1 human (finally reached but not allowing me to exolain the full problem. Twice I was forwarded to the same person and 3 times to another same person.

Finally I was sent to tier 3 and it got resolved. The military systems like TSP are almost impossible to navigate,

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Carol Shenkenberger wrote to fusion <=-

The worst is the AI phone systems. I've wasted as much as 3 HOURS with that at LOWES over an order gone wrong once. I got 'forwarded' by 1
human (finally reached but not allowing me to exolain the full problem.
Twice I was forwarded to the same person and 3 times to another same person.

Sounds as bad as reaching real people at AT&T. I once had a
business-class internet service paid for through a wholly-owned
subsidiary, and they continually bounced calls back and forth between
AT&T and the billing party. Then AT&T would say it's the billing
party's problem and I should be working through them, since they're the
"customer".

I asked the billing party what value they provided to the customer, and
after a long pause, was asked if there was anything else I could help
with, then was thanked for being their customer. :|


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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 12:02 am

OPERATOR
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"I'm sorry, I am having problems understanding you. Please try your call again later" *click*


I will say that the Google Virtual Assistant that's part of the Pixel phones is freaking amazing. I get between 1 and 10 spam/scam calls to my phone each day, and It's been months since one has actually caused my phone to ring.

They get stuck listening to a "Virtual Assistant" ask what they're calling about. If they try to leave a message, the assistant lets them ramble, then usually says "I'm sorry the person you're calling can't take your call right now"

I wonder how hard it would be to come up with an AI voice system that just wastes a scammer's time...

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 06:38 am

I have found that when calling Xfinity for tech support, if I say

"Terminate My Account"

I get a human on the line real quick.

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Tue Mar 19 2024 09:30 am

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 12:02 am

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"I'm sorry, I am having problems understanding you. Please try your call again later" *click*

yeah there's some of them that do that. but then i'll choose sales and have
the next firewall person foward me to the right one.

They get stuck listening to a "Virtual Assistant" ask what they're calling about. If they try to leave a message, the assistant lets them ramble, then usually says "I'm sorry the person you're calling can't take your call right now"

I was wondering how that works. for my phone i have to choose the screening each time they call.

Last week someone from hr called me and i called them back and the virtual assistant told me to get lost. I believe the reason i gave was i have to talk to hr because i am returning their phone call.

I wonder how hard it would be to come up with an AI voice system that just wastes a scammer's time...

Those guys don't really waste too much time. Seriously i really wish i did answer some of these calls. There was a guy with a thick indian accent that said he was from the fbi and he was yelling at me. He demanded I pay them money. My cell's number used to belong to a guy who would get scammed all the time. That's why i use google voice for my main number and voicemail.
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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Bf2k+ to All] on Tue Mar 19 2024 04:25 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 06:38 am

I have found that when calling Xfinity for tech support, if I say

"Terminate My Account"

I get a human on the line real quick.

yeah you will get retention. just like you get someone pretty quick if you choose sales.
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On 17 Mar 2024, fusion said the following...

Honestly, I was hopeful that AI could help us weed out the rubbish from the web. But instead, it's like they've thrown more gasoline onto the fire. And now we're stuck with even fewer options, forced to rely on obscure search engines just to find something halfway decent. It's a vicious cycle of mediocrity and frustration.

I wish there was some way to put an end to this AI apocalypse or at least create a filter to sift through all the trash. But for now, we're stuck playing a constant game of cat and mouse with the endless flood of
useless information, hoping for a glimpse of something worthwhile.
Cheers to the digital struggle, I guess. *lifts glass in mock toast*

i used "OobaBooga" with an LLM i downloaded from

https://huggingface.co/TheBloke?sort_models=downloads#models

to generate all this text btw. ;)

"write me a message about how i dislike AI, using this message as inspiration"

then included Arelor's message.

perhaps we can feed it all the text from all the message nets and then ask it how to install bbs doors over and over ;)

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Bf2k+ wrote to All] <=-

I have found that when calling Xfinity for tech support, if I say

"Terminate My Account"

I get a human on the line real quick.

It used to be that as soon as you mentioned cancelling your account,
you'd be transferred to an account retention specialist, a smooth
talking US-based agent who'd "miraculously" find you a special rate.
You'd do that every year when your current promotion ended.

The last time my promotion ended, I said I'd need to cancel if I
couldn't get my bill down to XXX and they said "sorry to see you go".

I told them I needed to speak to someone who knew their account
offerings, got put on hold and someone came back 20 minutes later with a
decent promotion.

I think it's time to move to AT&T Fiber, if anything for symmetric
service (I'm 600/10 here).



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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Bf2k+ to All] on Tue Mar 19 2024 04:25 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 06:38 am

I have found that when calling Xfinity for tech support, if I say

"Terminate My Account"

I get a human on the line real quick.

Cute but not related.

xxcarol

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Bf2k+ on Wed Mar 20 2024 04:16 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Bf2k+ to All] on Tue Mar 19 2024 04:25 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 19 2024 06:38 am

I have found that when calling Xfinity for tech support, if I say

"Terminate My Account"

I get a human on the line real quick.

Cute but not related.

xxcarol

yeah it is related. we're talking in my thread and this is a form of AI
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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Wed Mar 20 2024 06:39 am

I think it's time to move to AT&T Fiber, if anything for symmetric
service (I'm 600/10 here).

Unfortunately, for me, Xfinity is the only hi-speed internet available in my county which I suppose is another reason they're so unreasonable here.

But in the last 6 months someone has been laying fiber in my neighborhood... Someone told me it was ShenTel but that night not be correct. It will still be good to have competition...

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Bf2k+ to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 21 2024 06:41 pm

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Wed Mar 20 2024 06:39 am

I think it's time to move to AT&T Fiber, if anything for symmetric service (I'm 600/10 here).

Unfortunately, for me, Xfinity is the only hi-speed internet available in my county which I suppose is another reason they're so unreasonable here.

But in the last 6 months someone has been laying fiber in my neighborhood... Someone told me it was ShenTel but that night not be correct. It will still be good to have competition...

what sucks is where i'm at, all that line is laid. BUT, there's agreements that the different providers have about territory. So i can't switch in most cases.
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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Thu Mar 21 2024 10:15 pm

what sucks is where i'm at, all that line is laid. BUT, there's agreements that the different providers have about territory. So i can't switch in most cases.

I thought division of territory by competitors would be illegal under antitrust laws?

Nightfox

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On 22 Mar 2024, Nightfox said the following...

what sucks is where i'm at, all that line is laid. BUT, there's agree that the different providers have about territory. So i can't switch most cases.

I thought division of territory by competitors would be illegal under antitrust laws?

it would seem they're allowed to get away with it from a practical standpoint .. running two sets of coax cabling everywhere would be crazy, DSL piggybacks on the phone system but it's still entirely local and single-provider (even if in your area multiple companies are allowed to re-sell it).. afaik fiber is pretty much end-to-end to.. can't really just say "hey, run the fiber from my house over to a different isp" .. fiber sits in an price bracket where it's
almost too expensive to offer so you're probably lucky if you have one in the first place..

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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Mar 22 2024 10:03 am

Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Thu Mar 21 2024 10:15 pm

what sucks is where i'm at, all that line is laid. BUT, there's agreements that the different providers have about territory. So i can't switch in most cases.

I thought division of territory by competitors would be illegal under antitrust laws?

it's only illegal if you get caught.
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it would seem they're allowed to get away with it from a practical standpoint .. running two sets of coax cabling everywhere would be
crazy, DSL piggybacks on the phone system but it's still entirely local and single-provider (even if in your area multiple companies are
allowed to re-sell it)

I've heard nightmares from people who tried to resell DSL on copper
from the local exchange carrier. Since the local exchange carriers
were required to open their copper network by law but there wasn't much
oversight, they did everything in their power to cripple resellers
ability to sell DSL, while using the cost overhead to make their
services cost-competitive. I think everyone's given up by now.

I had resold DSL service for a couple of years through a savvy local
ISP. It was nice getting DSL service and having my ISP be the customer
of record. He knew which buttons to push, so to speak to get problems
fixed.

Mind you, this was back in the 2000s, with hosted email, a news server,
tilde web space and their own DNS. Sign a form and you got all ports
opened. Those were good days.




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Mind you, this was back in the 2000s, with hosted email, a news server,
tilde web space and their own DNS. Sign a form and you got all ports
opened. Those were good days.

They sure were. Don't forget a shell account! ;)


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It's going to turn what's left of the Internet into an apocalyptic wasteland devoid of human life.

... Poverty begins at home.

fire. And now we're stuck with even fewer options, forced to rely on obscure search engines just to find something halfway decent. It's a

What do you use? I find that Wiby and Mojeek are pretty good for avoiding the Corpo Net.

... The pistol of a flower is its only protection against insects

It's going to turn what's left of the Internet into an apocalyptic wasteland d
oid of human life.

Quite possible. The only humans left will be the ones who don't
understand, or don't care, that they are interacting with "nothing."


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Re: Re: ai sucks ass
By: unixl0rd to fusion on Tue Mar 26 2024 06:46 pm

What do you use? I find that Wiby and Mojeek are pretty good for avoiding th

Wiby and Mojeek are nice. You should also try Marginalia and Searchmysite.

There is a nice metasearch engine worth trying which packs many alternative search engine backends. Go try 4get.ca for some fun.

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