Just wanted to post it here as don't know where else would be better, I managed to get the kermit protocol running in Mystic (I know this isn't
a mystic channel) and really would love it if syncterm could handle the kermit protocol.

After using it for a little while with qodem, I realise that the transfer speeds in kermit are a lot, and I mean a LOT faster than zmodem for example, and think we could all benefit from having that as an option on BBSes that support kermit.

Being curious, as I am, I dialed into QW w/ qodem to see what the kermit fuss was all about - QW is across the pond from me, and I usually get fairly bad Zmodem download speeds.

I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too. :P



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The ZMODEM protocol also has a lot of options that can impact
through-put (e.g. windowing or not, window size, encoding/escaping of characters).

Interesting - sometimes us newbies (me, not ml!) don't think about other variables... I'm gonna do some testing; understood about syncterm requests, thanks.



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On 16 Aug 2023, paulie420 said the following...

I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get
over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too. :P

is QW a mystic board? (specifically, using the internal zmodem) .. netrunner uses the same implementation and doesn't fare well according to the sexyz wiki page. maybe it just sucks.

reminds me of an article i read about DOS file sharing implementations from M$, IBM, etc.. after considerable effort tweaking,the results were kind of like "well, this would have been fast back then" .. even though the hardware is capable of 100x better.

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I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support too. :P

is QW a mystic board? (specifically, using the internal zmodem) .. netrunner uses the same implementation and doesn't fare well according
to the sexyz wiki page. maybe it just sucks.

reminds me of an article i read about DOS file sharing implementations from M$, IBM, etc.. after considerable effort tweaking,the results were kind of like "well, this would have been fast back then" .. even though the hardware is capable of 100x better.

Quantum Wormhole IS a Mystic board... but I get [around] the same Zmodem DL speeds across all BBS softwares. I normally use SyncTerm - but kermit on qodem does seem to beat all of them!



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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: paulie420 to Christian Sacks on Wed Aug 16 2023 11:14 am

I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too. :P

Wow, thats so fast!

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I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too

Wow, thats so fast!

I mean - for thru a telnet terminal and all.. :P



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Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)
It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.

Same here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS and softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 30 years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.



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That's about the nuts and bolts of it.

Thanks for the writeup!

I followed the other Mystic setup, with a bash script - it w0rks perfectly... but I assume mL figured a quicker way to implement here. :P

THANKS to mL --> 2oFB users can speed their terminal DLs up, t00!



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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: paulie420 to Christian Sacks on Thu Aug 17 2023 08:09 pm

Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)
It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.

Same here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS and softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 30 years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.

I think they're performing differently because we're using them on an internet connection rather than a serial/modem connection. File transfer protcools such as Kermit, X/Y/Zmodem etc. were designed for serial connections (with considerations for dialup modems) and as such, they were designed for raw data connections. But all the software that works with an internet connection uses network protocols such as TCP/IP & such, which already have software mechanisms for transferring data back & forth. As such, adding another file transfer protocol such as Zmodem or Kermit onto that is redundant. A file transfer protocol that has minimal overhead (which I think is true for Kermit) probably is faster over the internet than something like Zmodem.

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Same here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS and softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 3 years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.

I think they're performing differently because we're using them on an internet connection rather than a serial/modem connection. File transfer protcools such as Kermit, X/Y/Zmodem etc. were designed for serial connections (with considerations for dialup modems) and as such, they
were designed for raw data connections. But all the software that works with an internet connection uses network protocols such as TCP/IP &
such, which already have software mechanisms for transferring data back
& forth. As such, adding another file transfer protocol such as Zmodem
or Kermit onto that is redundant. A file transfer protocol that has minimal overhead (which I think is true for Kermit) probably is faster over the internet than something like Zmodem.

100% - its using these tools on our new tech that causes the differences. Regardless, its way better to just use www download links; but since people like using the terminal when bbsing, it is worthwhile that mL helps us offer kermit... mystic is a different beast. :P



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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Fri Aug 18 2023 08:59 pm

Regardless, its way better to just use www download links; but since people like using the terminal when bbsing, it is worthwhile that mL helps us offer

I demand jmodem support, damnit!!

*cough*

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 am

Don't forget LModem...

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Bf2k+ to Phigan on Sat Aug 19 2023 09:19 am

Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 am

Don't forget LModem...

whats lmodem?
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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Sat Aug 19 2023 09:30 pm

whats lmodem?

In the Atari BBS world back in the 80's, Keith Ledbetter wrote BBS:Express Pro and BBS:Express ST. LModem was a protocol he designed for his BBSes.

I was just mentioning it to Phigan as a joke...

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 am

I demand jmodem support, damnit!!

*cough*

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 08:17 am

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't such support already!

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 21 2023 09:46 am

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't such support already!

https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300
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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 am

> I demand jmodem support, damnit!!
>
> *cough*

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

SBBS support for external protocols, maybe a good implementation of
punker could be work

syncterm have not this way.

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Digital Man to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 10:20 am

Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't such support already!

https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300

Ahhh, that's more like it :).

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Digital Man to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 10:20 am

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't such support already!

https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300

Protest withdrawn.

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Sun Aug 20 2023 09:08 pm

whats lmodem?

In the Atari BBS world back in the 80's, Keith Ledbetter wrote BBS:Express Pro and BBS:Express ST. LModem was a protocol he designed for his BBSes.

I was just mentioning it to Phigan as a joke...

You forgot the old C= standard, Punter!

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 08:17 am

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

---TLM

And as soon as I mention Punter, the very NEXT message mentions Punter :)

Dred

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