• Trump failures

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 26 04:04:00 2019
    On 08-25-19 11:54, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-


    Learn to face that fact that Donald Trump is a failed business man who cares about nothing other than himself and wants for things to take him
    to center stage. He cannot hold an opinion for more than a day before
    he changes it. His views and pronouncements are dangerous.

    Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
    built?

    He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the
    50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the
    agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

    Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to be locked and now closed to the pubic?

    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
    organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

    Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
    No to all the above!

    But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.

    And now for some of the things you did not mention:
    Trump Airlines
    Trump Vodka
    Trump mortgage, LLC
    Trump the Game
    Trump Steak
    Trump magazine
    Gotrump.com
    and for the biggest fiasco of all
    Trump University
    Trump Casinos.

    Everything is continuing as it has, and will continue to do so.

    ** Let me put this out to you, in this direct question.
    What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
    and also tell me why...

    The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
    businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
    be paying for them.

    Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

    His family separation policy for immigrants who come seeking the asylum
    that USA law says they have the right to do.

    His inability to get "the best people" to work for him. The smart
    people have run from him. Many of the ones who he has selected for high
    level posts have resigned in disgrace. He does not seem to be able to
    do a proper vetting on many of his choices.

    The way that he is destroying trust in the USA by most of our best
    allies. They have no idea what to believe because of his chaotic
    nature. He has made policy statements and then reversed them in the
    span of a single day.

    His implicit support of white nationalists, refusing to condemn them for
    what they are -- and thus embolding them.

    Those are just the things that come to me off the top of my head.


    The left way of thinking also goes beyond Trump too. Things like the civil war and Abraham Lincoln and his
    emancipation proclamation does
    not matter . Slavery happened and therefore
    America must be destroyed

    I have no idea what your point is here.

    Curious, that you don't know of the Democrats wanting to destroy
    America.

    Correct -- show me where that has been said by any prominent Democrat.
    It is just not true.

    that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also

    References please.

    Civil Rights also happened, but that don't matter

    Civil rights happen thanks to a Democrat President.

    True but the Democratic Party of those days is not the same
    Democratic party of
    today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican views then the Democratic views of today.

    "Those days" were only about a half century ago. The Democrat party has
    not changed that much since Lyndon Johnson.

    Slavery also happened and the Democrats own that also.

    Slavery happened long before the USA was formed.

    We are trying to keep America from being destroyed by Trump.

    The Democrats accusations are baseless, there is no evidence of any
    harm to America, This is due to a fragmentation causing this clinch
    within the Democratic mind, it is a unforeseen error to believe that
    the efforts and actions of President Trump is somehow causing harm.
    - They can't see or acknowledge how low unemployment is positive.

    It is positive. What has Trump done to make it so?

    - They can't see or acknowledge how fare trade deals are positive.

    Do trade deals include the trade wars that Trump is waging -- at the
    detriment of American businesses, consumers and farmers.

    - They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever before. -

    You are partially right there, for now. The numbers during Trump's
    presidency are not substantially better than the numbers during Obama's presidency -- and seem to be getting worse, not better.

    They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
    are now back.

    Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it
    has happened.


    The Democratic mind can not process or be allowed to see, all of the
    good that is happening around them under this President.

    And the Far-right mind cannot see all of the bad that this President is causing.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 26 22:08:58 2019
    On 26 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump built?

    He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

    You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that know
    all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.

    Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

    Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to
    be DS> GD> locked and now closed to the pubic?

    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
    organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

    There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce)
    don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes....

    Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
    No to all the above!

    But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.
    This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9

    And now for some of the things you did not mention:
    Trump Airlines

    In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of
    the three cities and the right to paint his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new
    look) combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc.

    Trump the Game

    In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump: The
    Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players must buy
    and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2
    million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one to abandon
    ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're
    Fired into the game. Other updated features included a sterner-looking Trump on the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips.

    Trump Steak,
    yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found.

    What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous? and also tell me why...

    The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
    businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
    be paying for them.

    I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't understand is why you
    think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the U.S. with a small tariff and
    American made goods have a very high tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This should be a nonpartisan issue.
    or
    Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but you should have a bit more respect for your country.

    Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

    The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking more of
    the American product from American farmers and they want to and have backed out of the deal. How is that Trumps fault?

    His family separation policy for immigrants who come seeking the asylum
    that USA law says they have the right to do.

    Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what?
    We will be separated from our families too.

    Correct -- show me where that has been said by any prominent Democrat.
    It is just not true.
    that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also
    References please.

    Sure.
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    read about it here
    https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c

    today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican views then the Democratic views of today.

    "Those days" were only about a half century ago. The Democrat party has
    not changed that much since Lyndon Johnson.

    If you believe that, then there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you.

    - They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever before.

    You are partially right there, for now. The numbers during Trump's presidency are not substantially better than the numbers during Obama's presidency -- and seem to be getting worse, not better.

    Trumps so called bad days will never be as bad or as worse then Obama's. because the Press (media) was not a bunch of attack dogs as they are with Trump. Why do you think that is? Simple because they are sleeping in the same bed as the Democrats and have been for quite a while.

    They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
    are now back.
    Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it
    has happened.

    It's True read all about it here.
    https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 26 23:47:28 2019
    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
    organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other

    Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if he
    employs illegals.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 27 02:43:00 2019
    On 08-26-19 22:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake N <=-

    Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
    built?

    He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

    You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump
    becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.
    Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because
    the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

    In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
    telling the truth.

    Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to
    be locked and now closed to the pubic?

    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
    organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

    There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce)
    don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes....

    <extracted from WIKI article on Trump Tower, describing undocumented
    workers and other labor disputes, which eventually cost Trump $1.375
    million.>

    Unpaid laborers
    In 1983, a class-action lawsuit was filed against the Trump Organization concerning unpaid pension and medical obligations to labor unions whose
    members helped build the towers.[62] Trump had paid $774,000 to a window-cleaning company that employed undocumented Polish immigrants
    during the renovation of an adjoining building.[63] According to the
    laborers, they were paid $4 an hour (equivalent to $10 in 2018) for
    12-hour shifts, and were not told about asbestos in the
    under-construction structure.[63]

    Trump testified in 1990 he was unaware that 200 undocumented Polish
    immigrants, some of whom lived at the site during the 1980 New York City transit strike, and worked round-the-clock shifts, were involved in the destruction of the Bonwit Teller building and the Trump Tower
    project.[64] Trump said he rarely visited the demolition site[64] and
    never noticed the laborers, who were visually distinct for their lack of
    hard hats.[65] A labor consultant and FBI informant testified that Trump
    was aware of the illegal workers' status.[64] Trump testified that he
    and an executive used the pseudonym "John Baron" in some of his business dealings,[64] although Trump said he did not do so until years after
    Trump Tower was constructed.[65] A labor lawyer testified that he was threatened over the phone with a $100 million lawsuit by a John Baron
    who supposedly worked for the Trump Organization. Donald Trump later
    told a reporter, "Lots of people use pen names. Ernest Hemingway used
    one."[65]

    After the laborers filed for a mechanic's lien over unpaid wages, they
    said a Trump Organization lawyer threatened to have the Immigration and Naturalization Service deport them.[63] A judge ruled in favor of the
    Polish laborers in 1991, saying that the organization had to pay the workers.[66] The contractor was ultimately ordered to pay the laborers $254,000.[63][67]

    The case went through several appeals by both sides as well as non-jury
    trials, and was reassigned to different judges several times.[68][69]
    The original named plaintiff, plaintiffs' attorney, and two
    co-defendants, died during the litigation, leading Judge Kevin Duffy to
    compare it unfavorably to Charles Dickens' fictional case Jarndyce and
    Jarndyce in June 1998, when he was assigned the case after the death of
    the previous presiding judge.[62] The lawsuit was ultimately settled in
    1999, with its records sealed.[65] In November 2017, U.S. District Judge Loretta A. Preska ordered the settlement documents unsealed.[63] In the settlement, Trump agreed to pay a total of $1.375 million,[63] which,
    according to the plaintiffs' lawyer, was the full amount that could have
    been recovered at trial.[63]


    Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
    No to all the above!

    But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.

    This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about
    it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9

    Which confirms what I said.

    Trump Airlines

    In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline
    business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington,
    D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint
    his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump
    touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the
    floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures.
    But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never
    turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans,
    and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The
    Trump Shuttle ceased
    to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle
    Inc.

    Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.

    Trump the Game

    In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump:
    The Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players
    must buy and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2 million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one
    to abandon ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his
    success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're Fired into the game. Other updated features
    included a sterner-looking Trump on
    the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips.

    Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.

    Trump Steak,
    yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found.

    And what do you have to say about all of the other failures I listed,
    and you declined to comment on? Especially Trump University

    What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
    and also tell me why...

    The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
    businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
    be paying for them.

    I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't
    understand is why you think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the U.S. with a small tariff and American made goods have a very high
    tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work
    on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average
    every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and
    with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This
    should be a nonpartisan issue. or

    You are pivoting and not answering what was said, namely how Trump is
    lieing when he claims that the Chinese government is paying for the
    tariffs he has imposed and not the Americans.

    Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame
    this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but
    you should have a bit more respect for your country.

    I have a lot more respect for this country than Trump does.

    Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

    The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking
    more of the American product from American farmers and they want to
    and have backed out
    of the deal. How is that Trumps fault?

    Because they are reacting to the tariffs he put onto the Chinese. It is
    a war, and the American farmers are collateral damage.

    His family separation policy for immigrants who
    come seeking the asylum
    that USA law says they have the right to do.

    Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what?
    We will be separated from our families too.

    We would never be separated for a crime that is the equivalent of
    Jaywalking, a misdemeanor. They are not attempting to hide from the
    law. They cross the border, and immediately surrender to the border
    patrol and ask for asylum -- which is their legal right under USA law.

    Correct -- show me where that has been said by any
    prominent Democrat.
    It is just not true.

    that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also

    References please.

    Sure.
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    read about it here
    https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c

    Not exactly a major Democrat -- a new member of congress who speaks with
    a voice of one, albeit loudly, accepted by a few others, but not by the Democratic party.

    They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
    are now back.

    Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it
    has happened.

    It's True read all about it here.
    https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8

    That is a publication produced by and for the Trump whitehouse. As
    such, it is as much a reliable evidence source as when Sean Spicer stood
    before the podium and stated that the crowd at Trump's inaguration was
    the largest in history.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 27 19:22:32 2019
    On 27 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-26-19 22:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake N <=-

    Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump built?

    He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in th 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

    You should know me better then that, and you should of also known tha know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.
    Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

    In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
    telling the truth.

    and your not giving credit where credit is due, money poured into the
    rink and the copper kept getting ripped off until Trump came along
    and providing a solution and provided more then just knowledge new
    concrete was poured, this was a Trump project of which was a success
    saving the city future lost money.

    I know you like pointing out the so called failures.
    If they were failures then other companies would not be picking up where he left off, Donald Trump is more of a success then the failure your like to taught. He is also a Billionaire. Sure some of the things like the casino and other ventures did not work out. Ok so why does any of that matter? he is far better President then Clinton or Omama - combined. I can tell you of all the success that is happening and I could provide references but your not interested in any of that because it does not fit your ideology.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 01:17:00 2019
    On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-


    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
    organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other

    Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if he employs illegals.

    Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 28 01:19:02 2019
    On 08-27-19 19:18, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake <=-

    Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
    built?

    He did not build that -- it was built by the

    Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts
    by the city because
    the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

    In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
    telling the truth.

    and your not giving credit where credit is due, money poured into the
    rink and the copper kept getting ripped off until Trump came along
    and providing a solution and provided more then just knowledge new concrete was poured, this was a Trump project of which was a success saving the city future lost money.

    I am merely responding to your false statement that "Trump built it".


    I know you like pointing out the so called failures.

    And I know that you and your rose colored glasses cannot see those
    failures.

    Donald Trump is more of a success then the failure

    That is not certain.

    He is also a Billionaire.

    Even that is not certain.

    Sure some of the things
    like the casino and other ventures did not work out. Ok so why does
    any of that matter?

    Because in his (and your) mind, he can do no wrong. Someone has to
    mention the emporer's cloths (or lack thereof). In addition to the
    failures mentioned, he has also left behind a number of people he has
    stiffed, welching on deals with them.

    he is far better President then Clinton or Omama - combined.

    You can believe that if you want. But how about comparing national debt
    under Clinton with that under Trump? How about how Obama pulled the USA
    out of a recession and saved the GM Automobile company? How about
    comparing what Trump has done to destroy the USA credibility with other countries.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 29 07:08:22 2019
    On 28 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-


    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous ot

    Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if h employs illegals.

    Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

    There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

    Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and excluding that which is painful.

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Aug 29 08:29:40 2019

    On 2019 Aug 29 07:04:22, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if
    h[sic] employs illegals.

    Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

    There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

    read that again... he didn't say anything about moderate liberals... he named them as two different categories...

    Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose /
    and excluding that which is painful.

    you are a perfect example of this...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mark Lewis on Thu Aug 29 20:48:32 2019
    Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and excluding that which is painful.

    you are a perfect example of this...

    ditto

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 30 02:10:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 07:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-

    Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

    There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

    Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose /
    and excluding that which is painful.

    Look in a mirror and recognize that applies to you in spades.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Tim Richardson@1:123/140 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Aug 31 19:52:00 2019
    On 08-29-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

    On 28 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-


    No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous
    ot DS>
    Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if
    h DS> AT> employs illegals.

    Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.


    There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.


    And every time a liberal steps up to a mic in front of the cameras and says; `We are a nation of laws'!......yet the liberals refuse to enforce the law ... their hypocrisy drenches them in their lies!


    Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and GD>excluding that which is painful.


    Lefties are good at that.


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