• It is what it is

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to All on Wed Aug 5 03:17:04 2020
    The latest quote of from Trump shows how he is managing the Covid
    pandemic. I.e. ignore it and expect it to go away on its own -- or let
    the states handle it.

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the
    chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in
    states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wed Aug 5 16:48:50 2020
    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Aug 5 22:16:58 2020
    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >DS>When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end?

    At noon, on January 20, 2021.

    I think you're right! That's when my people will be rejoicing and yours will be like "Well, I can't imagine spending another 4 years being bitter!"

    Liberals will embrace Trump culture in 2021, and they will learn to love it.

    You can do it, Lee. Look at me: I'm as conservative as can be and I live under the Cuomo monarchy. I eat liberal garbage for breakfast, and sure, I have an extremely overkill home security system to give me peace of mind, but it's all a mindgame - and I feel like I'm on top.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 5 21:15:42 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths
    overall. When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that
    end?

    I haven't read anyone blame Trump for the caronavirus. I have read many say that his response to it could/should have been better. It seems that he considered the problem to only be hurting blue states so he left it for "them" to deal with. It is hurting all states equally today and he still has no plan to bring the situation under control.

    States opened back up to quickly before the curve was flattened so now there are many new cases and deaths on a daily basis and now he wants schools opened back up in the middle of all that - when/where will that end?

    "It is what it is" - Donald Trump

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Aug 6 08:09:34 2020
    On 06 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far
    too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other country in the world.

    Thanks to Trump's own incompetence, we do not have enough PPE gear
    or ventilators and pharmaceuticals that are desperately needed.

    You might want to tune in, when the President provides detailed information about the numbers of these supplies that we have here within the U.S.
    You might even learn something, but then you might also be in need of other medication to help your mind cope with the break away from your liberal ideologies which will be a catastrophic event.

    The sound of democracy is loud. And can be very annoying. Had it
    not been for patriots being so loud and annoying, we never would have
    had a country. That is why we need more patriots to join the cause.
    It is the only way to save our democracy, and our country.

    If you think for one moment that these people screaming about white
    privilege, demanding the de-funding the Police, creating carnage and chaos nearly everywhere they go, are in anyway equal to the folks of yesteryear then you're truly delusional. Many of them if not every single one of them; meaning those people from yesteryear would not think twice of assassinating this
    group of today.

    - Jim Jordon
    He is no patriot.

    You're not qualified or authorized to authenticate who Jim Jordon is or what
    he stands for because you know nothing; what it means to be a Conservative.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 6 17:29:52 2020
    I haven't read anyone blame Trump for the caronavirus. I have read many say

    I'm impressed! The Canadian news isn't as crazy as the liberal USA news then.

    considered the problem to only be hurting blue states so he left it for "th

    However, this part sounds like news with a twist. All I know is New York. It was the world's epicenter at first, but now officials for the state of New York are claiming a victory with flattening the curve. This is the most liberal blue state in all of the USA (in my opinion.)

    Trump gave state governors autonomy with handling coronavirus. Some states have done poorly with reopening (Arizona, Florida, Texas) but the media (and Democrats) prefer to blame Trump instead of blaming Democratic state governors.

    How would the USA react if Trump were to deploy our military to enforce mask wearing? Or if he used the military to enforce social distancing? They're just opportunists looking for ways to make gay marriages gayer, to make abortions more painful, or to make counterfeit money more legal. Anyone who stands in the way of liberal policies as much as Trump does, is in for trouble.

    are many new cases and deaths on a daily basis and now he wants schools ope back up in the middle of all that - when/where will that end?

    Trump is "in favor" of reopening schools, but again, he's not dictating school openings; he's letting the governors control school reopenings. When those governers do a bad job, fingers will be pointed at Trump because his voice sounds like Sinatra.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 7 03:29:46 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall. >LL>>DS>When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that end? >LL> LL>At noon, on January 20, 2021.

    I think you're right!

    He might have to be dragged off the stage, assuming he even makes
    it onto the stage. But I seriously doubt he will even make it to the
    platform, much less step onto it.

    That's when my people will be rejoicing and yours will be like "Well, I
    can't imagine spending another 4 years being bitter!"

    Not to worry. Melania will console him. And then leave with her son
    for a better life. Apart from Donald.

    Liberals will embrace Trump culture in 2021, and they will learn to love it.

    Being a nice guy, President Biden will extend his hand in friendship
    to all. Including former Trumpsters. That way, we can all be one happy
    family. No more us versus them or democrats versus republicans or left
    versus right. Just one big happy family called America the Beautiful.

    You can do it, Lee.

    Yes we can! Just like Barack Obama always said! Yes we can!
    Hope and Change is coming to America! Isn't that wonderful?

    Look at me: I'm as conservative as can be and I live under the Cuomo
    monarchy.

    If you think that is fun, just you wait and see what Obama really
    meant by Hope and Change.

    I eat liberal garbage for breakfast,

    New York food, even if it is made by an Italian, is not the same as Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is why my great-grandfather walked on foot
    to Louisiana as soon as his ship from Italy docked in New York. You
    see, New Orleans had the largest macaroni factory in the US, and
    nobody in New York could make noodles like Italians in New Orleans.

    and sure, I have an extremely overkill home security system to give me peace
    of mind, but it's all a mindgame - and I feel like I'm on top.

    My great-grandfather never owned a car, and never bothered to learn
    how to drive. He had two feet, and was a cobbler. Made plenty shoes.
    As many as he needed to get wherever he wanted. Along with plenty of
    time. How else do you think he and my great-grandmother managed to
    make 13 kids?

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 7 03:29:56 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far
    too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other
    country in the world.

    The US has one of the worst records in regards to the number of
    tests per capita. Barely 60 million tests out of a total population
    of 320 million. That is horrible. And the turnaround for results
    makes many of those tests meaningless, as so much time has elapsed
    making it impossible to do contact tracing on those who have tested
    positive.

    The mortality rate (deaths per 100,000 people) clearly shows the
    US as having a problem. A huge problem, with the US now #4 in the
    world with 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people. Once schools open,
    and football season begins, the US will jump to #1 - which is now
    being held by the UK with 69.63 deaths per 100,000 people.

    You see, even if the US had done no testing at all, it would still
    have the same mortality rate of 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Thanks to Trump's own incompetence, we do not have enough PPE gear
    or ventilators and pharmaceuticals that are desperately needed.

    You might want to tune in, when the President provides detailed information >about the numbers of these supplies that we have here within the U.S. You
    might even learn something, but then you might also be in need of other
    medication to help your mind cope with the break away from your liberal >ideologies which will be a catastrophic event.

    Trump had several chances to get a better deal, but chose not to.
    Now we the taxpayers are stuck with a bill five times higher, and
    will not receive much-needed PPE until 2022. That is not due to
    "liberal ideologies", but his own bullheadedness and incompetence.

    The sound of democracy is loud. And can be very annoying. Had it
    not been for patriots being so loud and annoying, we never would have >LL>had a country. That is why we need more patriots to join the cause.
    It is the only way to save our democracy, and our country.

    If you think for one moment that these people screaming about white >privilege, demanding the de-funding the Police, creating carnage and chaos >nearly everywhere they go, are in anyway equal to the folks of yesteryear
    then you're truly delusional. Many of them if not every single one of them; meaning those people from yesteryear would not think twice of assassinating this group of today.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. You and others might
    not like it, but that is the American way. Best to get used to it.

    - Jim Jordon
    He is no patriot.

    You're not qualified or authorized to authenticate who Jim Jordon is or what
    he stands for because you know nothing; what it means to be a Conservative.

    Jim Jordan is no conservative. He is a horse's ass.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Aug 6 01:34:02 2020
    On 08-05-20 11:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Is it any coincidence that most of the states that are running off the chart with number of infections and hospitalizations and deaths are in states with Republican governers who are following Trump's lead in what
    to do.

    At one time our Northeastern area was very bad and now it is not even close to what it was.

    True, and the Democratic Governor got it under control.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear
    including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which have proven effective
    as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under strain
    for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained to
    over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceuticals.

    What's More Important?
    - Going to school or protesting?
    - Church or Protesting?
    - A loved one's funeral or Protesting?

    How about a fair comparison: what's more important?
    going to school or having people get sick and die?
    going to church or having people get sick and die?
    going to a funeral or having people get sick and die?
    going to a political rally or having people get sick and die?

    The only things Democrats let you do during Covid
    is protest riot and attack the Police.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    How many die each year from the flu?

    Estimates seem to vary between less than 10,000 and 50,000. There is no comparison. A better question would be how many people might not have
    died if the federal government at least tried to do something about
    COVID instead of a policy somewhere between wishing it will soon go away
    and pushing blame to the states.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 6 01:48:04 2020
    On 08-05-20 16:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    One thousand plus deaths per day. more than 160,000 deaths overall.
    When will it end?

    Trying to make stuff sound like it's Trump's fault - when will that
    end?

    DUH -- much of it is Trump's fault. He did not cause the disease, but
    his ignoring it for too long resulted in disasterous results. His
    recent and current statements have caused many Republican states to
    ignore the valid scientific advice to their peril.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 7 01:57:12 2020
    On 08-06-20 17:29, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: It is what it is <=-

    However, this part sounds like news with a twist. All I know is New
    York. It was the world's epicenter at first, but now officials for the state of New York are claiming a victory with flattening the curve.
    This is the most liberal blue state in all of the USA (in my opinion.)

    New York has done great because of the leadership of its Governor. It
    did the right things and has squashed the virus outbreak there. You
    should be thankful to the leadership for that.

    Trump gave state governors autonomy with handling coronavirus. Some
    states have done poorly with reopening (Arizona, Florida, Texas) but
    the media (and Democrats) prefer to blame Trump instead of blaming Democratic state governors.

    You call it giving them autonomy -- I call it abandoning them to their
    own devices. Trump made the states bid against each other for critical supplies, thus driving up the prices. He could have and should have
    made a national unified effort and distribution. He even had FEMA
    stealing equipment that states had ordered and paid for.

    How would the USA react if Trump were to deploy our military to
    enforce mask wearing? Or if he used the military to enforce social distancing?

    That would never have been necessary. Instead he should have not told
    people not to wear masks nor practice social distancing. His constant
    repeat of that refrain is one of the reasons that so many of the Red
    states are now following his advice -- to the detriment of their
    citizens and at the cost of their lives.

    Trump is "in favor" of reopening schools, but again, he's not
    dictating school openings; he's letting the governors control school reopenings. When those governers do a bad job, fingers will be pointed
    at Trump because his voice sounds like Sinatra.

    Again -- a little bit of leadership and acceptance of responsible
    leadership and paying attention to his scientific advisors would have
    gone a long way. Instead what is happening is that some governors are forbidding local jurisdictions to take appropriate safety measures.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 7 23:02:10 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Not to worry. Melania will console him. And then leave with her son
    for a better life. Apart from Donald.

    Why would you wish for a marriage to fail?

    Who sez the two of them even live together? Just because they
    remain legally married does not mean they share the same bedroom.
    Or even the same house. From what I understand, Melania and her
    son live with her parents, in a house far from 1600 Pennsylvania
    Avenue. It is only for official events that Melania travels to
    the White House. And even then, only if requested by Donald.

    It's not good to wish bad things on others. It's good to be optimistic.

    How is anything I have written wishing bad things on others?
    They choose their own lifestyle. She signed a pre-nuptial just
    before her husband took the oath of office. I do not know the
    details, as that is being kept hush-hush. But whatever it is,
    the two of them are happy. At least for the moment.

    Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is why my great-grandfather walked on foot
    to Louisiana as soon as his ship from Italy docked in New York. You >LL>see, New Orleans had the largest macaroni factory in the US, and

    I don't know what kind of advancements in macaroni we've had over the past
    100 years, but NY has the best Chinese food, best Italian subs, spiedies,
    and best pizza compared with other states that I've tried.

    Central Grocery's muffuletta sandwiches are so much better than
    Italian subs. And Chinese takeout in the French Quarter cannot be
    beat. And pizza on Bourbon Street is nothing like anything else
    in the whole world.

    Watch a New Mexican try to make a pizza.. They put jalapenos in the sauce! I
    like jalapenos, but come on! The sauce isn't supposed to burn sphincters,
    the wings are!

    In Hawai'i they put pineapple on hamburgers. In Georgia they put
    peaches on SPAM. No. I did that once. My cousin almost killed me.
    I survived only because I gave her the rest of my peaches.

    But if your great-grandfather was a seafood man, then I get it. We have
    crawfish here but nobody eats them. I don't have any idea of how to cook, peel, or eat them.

    Oh, that's easy. Pinch da tails, and suck da heads. That's all
    there is to it. So next time you're in Louisiana, look for any of
    several Cajun hangouts were crawfish boils are being held.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 7 23:02:18 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The number of people who are getting sick, and dying, are still far >LL>>LL>too high. Not just in New York, but everywhere.

    The U.S. has tested over 60 MILLION Americans, far more than any other >LL>>country in the world.
    The US has one of the worst records in regards to the number of >LL>tests per capita. Barely 60 million tests out of a total population
    of 320 million. That is horrible. And the turnaround for results
    makes many of those tests meaningless, as so much time has elapsed >LL>making it impossible to do contact tracing on those who have tested >LL>positive.

    Actually it's over 61 Million (& climbing) tests that have been
    administered.

    The US has the fourth highest mortality rate in the world due
    to the coronavirus, at 47.93 deaths per 100,000 people. That number
    is behind only the UK, Peru, and Chile. The US will soon overtake
    the UK at the top spot, before the end of this month. The UK has
    a mortality death rate of 69.63 per 100,000 people. At 50,000 new
    cases per day, the US mortality rate is easily outpacing every
    country on earth. With a populationn of 320 million people, I will
    let you do the math as to how many people in the US will die as a
    result of the insane policies of your orange god.

    football season begins, the US will jump to #1 - which is now
    being held by the UK with 69.63 deaths per 100,000 people.

    Football may still happen but there will not be any fans in the stands, at
    least that is what Met Life Stadium has indicated.

    One more time. The virus does not care about who it infects, only
    how many it can infect. That number being as many as can be found to
    infect who can be infected. So, unless one is already infected ...

    Trump had several chances to get a better deal, but chose not to.
    Now we the taxpayers are stuck with a bill five times higher, and
    will not receive much-needed PPE until 2022. That is not due to >LL>"liberal ideologies", but his own bullheadedness and incompetence.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from China into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    It was Trump who had shut down Travel from Europe into the U.S.

    Fake news.

    Folks were advising against this action.

    Fake news.

    (even Biden) but Trump did it anyway.

    Many US citizens returning home from Europe (and elsewhere) were
    already infected.

    Are you aware of how many millions lives that action alone saved?

    Many lives were lost due to Trump's inaction and incompetence.

    You really stop watching CNN and MSNBC that are not indicating the correct >information and lean way way left. It's Nasty Nancy and Cry'n Chuck who >sticking a monkey wrench eliminating any progress to move forward.

    Has nothing to do with the news media, but everything to do with
    Trump and his administration's inability to handle this public health
    crisis. It is out of control, and he does not have a clue as to what
    to do about it. All he does is react. In his own incompetent way.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. You and others might
    not like it, but that is the American way. Best to get used to it.

    People have the right to peacefully assemble, doesn't say anything riots, >burning and looting does it now? That is not the new normal, this choas in
    the streets will come to an end, one way or the other.

    Do learn what the right to peaceable assembly means.

    Say it loud! Say it clear! / Refugees are welcome here!

    More stain on the American Tax payer, oh what the hell we are filthy rich,
    what's a few more?

    Just a few weeks ago, in the middle of July, some 250 Mexican
    nationals who had died of Covid-19 in NYC, all of them legally
    here, were not allowed to have a funeral Mass and a Christian
    burial. Instead, their bodies were cremated and then sent to
    Mexico. All of these people were legal immigrants.

    Burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works of mercy,
    part of the teachings of Jesus, and practiced by Christians around
    the world as a model for how to treat others. This includes feeding
    the hungry, and giving alms to the poor. But this country of ours
    has no mercy. It does not care about others.

    What we have in office today is a Satanic president. Maybe you
    are unable to see his horns. Or perhaps it is only beccause you
    refuse to look. Either way, he is still the epitome of evil.

    The US put the cremated remains of 250 Mexican nationals on
    board a Mexican army plane to be removed from our soil. Talk
    about shitty.

    --Lee

    --
    My body, my choice! / Her body, her choice!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 8 01:38:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 09:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    recent and current statements have caused many Republican states to
    ignore the valid scientific advice to their peril.

    States have been in control this whole time. They do whatever they
    want. But when their plans go awry, they blame Trump. What if Trump
    was a Democrat? Then nobody would blame him for anything?

    In this case it does not matter whether Trump is a Democrat (he once
    was) or a Republican -- what matters is his complete inadequacy at
    providing any leadership for dealing with this pandemic. What direction
    he did provide was to either ignore the virus or to be totally wrong in
    his statements. The tragedy is that many governors followed his
    ignorance instead of paying attention to science. If Trump had issued
    the proper guidance from the beginning, it is likely that 100,000 deaths
    might have been avoided. We currently are at more than 160,000 deaths.
    early on, the scientists showed a chart that predicted about 60,000
    deaths if the appropriate mitigation measures were taken. Those
    measures were not only ignored by Trump, he openly spoke against them
    and publically encouraged ignoring them.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Aug 8 02:11:04 2020
    On 08-07-20 13:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    On 06 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    True, and the Democratic Governor got it under control.

    Yeah moving patients with Covid to a Nursing Home was super brilliant
    NOT !
    Look at the numbers, not some anecdotal statement.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear
    including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which
    have proven effective
    as indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under strain for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained to over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceuticals.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    Not much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    In early March, the White House officials declared that the US will have
    tested one million people that week and would thereafter complete four
    million tests per week. In fact, by the end of that week the CDC had
    completed only 4,000 tests.

    By the middle of March, it had been declared to be a pandemic. Meanwhile
    Trump is saying "we stopped it" as well as "I don't take responsibility
    at all".

    About that time, he also told the states to take care of getting PPE themselves, disavowing Fed responsibility.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not
    confuse the two.

    Does protesting include throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles, using lasers to blind cops or firing fireworks at officers.
    Since when is that protesting?

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast
    majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by the
    police.


    Or here another viewpoint.

    A totally irrelevant viewpoint, based on facts not in evidence.

    How many of people within the World's population wouldn't of died due
    to Covid if China did not unleash this upon the the World?

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    This is not the Fault of President Donald Trump or anyone with the
    U.S.A.
    This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party.

    Bull hockey pucks.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 8 04:07:06 2020
    On 08-07-20 09:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    New York has done great because of the leadership of its Governor. It

    What do you consider great? Having 20X more deaths than any other
    state?

    You should try to fact check your statements. While NY state had more
    deaths than any other state, they were among the first to get hit hard
    but they have pulled back from that peak. The total number of deaths in
    NY is reported to be 32,336. CA has 10,197 deaths and climbing, a ration
    just over 3x -- not 20x as you claim.

    For the last seven days, NY has had zero deaths.

    In terms of total number of cases, NY is not even in first place. It
    ranks 4th behind CA, FL and TX.

    Forcing nursing homes to take covid patients out of hospitals
    and try to care for them? Infecting others at the nursing homes? Slaughtering hundreds of elderly NYers? Great leadership!

    That was done with recovering Covid patients at a time when the
    hospitals were running over capacity. When the mistake was realized,
    it was changed to only recovering Covid patients who had tested
    negative.

    made a national unified effort and distribution. He even had FEMA stealing equipment that states had ordered and paid for.

    You've got 2 conflicting sentences back to back. First you were
    calling for "unified distribution," but then you're complaining
    because that's precisely what FEMA did.

    No -- they hijacked equipment ordered and paid for the states at
    inflated prices. It is not clear what they did with those supplies,
    especially when Whitehouse officials declared that the national
    stockpile was not for the states to use.

    That would never have been necessary. Instead he should have not told people not to wear masks nor practice social distancing. His constant

    I never heard Trump say "don't wear masks," or "drink bleach." That's
    what liberals wanted to hear but didn't.

    He said that it was not necessary to wear a mask -- and that he would
    not wear one. He was recorded on one of his press conferences saying
    that since bleach is a good disinfectant, it might be a good idea to
    inject it as a cure.

    I DID hear Trump say "wear
    masks" and "I wear a mask."

    Much later -- but he still did not do what he said.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 8 08:26:22 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Do you think a national plan might be in order in this crisis?

    Trump closed international travel, but not for illegals. To do that,
    he needs cooperation from Democrats that he already knows he's not getting.

    Yeah, sorta. But when I speak of a national plan I'm thinking more is needed to prevent further infections and deaths from covid-19 rather than saying "it's under control" or "be calm - it'll go away".

    Democrats speak highly of illegal immigrants, but I have yet to hear
    them say "Illegal immigrants won't enter the USA if they have the coronavirus."

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support immigration.

    Our southern border is the biggest joke in the world. Even people from China flock to Mexico when they can't get visas.

    I dunno why you bring up the Chinese but I agree you need a secure border. That's a complex issue and I doubt a wall will provide that. Your government officials both Democrat and Republican are going to have to put their heads together and come up with ways to do that.

    So despite their best effort, how can anyone continue to allow undocumented humans and halt a virus at the same time?

    In Canada there is still no travel except for essential travel. When folks do travel and return they have to self quarantine for 14 days.

    Something like that would be needed for anyone after travel regardless of their citizenship or reasons for travel.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 9 00:36:00 2020
    On 08-08-20 08:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    early on, the scientists showed a chart that predicted about 60,000
    deaths if the appropriate mitigation measures were taken. Those
    measures were not only ignored by Trump, he openly spoke against them
    and publically encouraged ignoring them.

    What measures?

    Pretty much what you keep hearing. Wear a mask when in contact with
    people, maintain 6ft social distance whenever possible, wash hands,
    expand testing and contact tracing (the last two are more recent -- the
    first four have been touted by scientists for a long time).

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 9 00:39:02 2020
    On 08-08-20 09:10, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    He said that it was not necessary to wear a mask -- and that he would

    Is it necessary to wear a mask? Last I heard, FEMA was advising to
    wear a mask to prevent the spread to others, but what if you don't have the virus? Then wouldn't you be just hoarding masks that others need?

    In the very beginning, the public health workers had a severe shortage.
    At that time Focci and others asked that the public not hoard the K95
    masks so the the health workers could have them. Then as other cloth
    coverings became more available, it was said that all should wear masks.
    That is the response to your last sentence above.

    And wearing a mask helps to prevent your spreading the virus to others.
    You may well have the virus and be infectious, but not know it. It does
    also provide some protection to your getting infected.


    Much later -- but he still did not do what he said.

    If Trump wore a mask while addressing the USA, how would we know it's really him and not the Cobra Commander from GI Joe? If Trump didn't
    have the virus, then who was he hurting by not wearing a mask?

    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his
    example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Dale Shipp on Sun Aug 9 06:15:02 2020
    Trump is easily recognizable with or without a mask. Who is he hurting
    by not wearing a mask? He is hurting all Americans who follow his example, encouraging them to not bother wearing a mask -- thus possibly spreading the infection to others that they come in contact with. A
    good leader leads by example. Trump is not doing that.


    It's BS.... mind control... recall in the beginning... masks don't work...
    then they do... The first time in history they quarantined the healthy and
    not just the sick.... Apparently it's okay to go to Walmart but not church... it was okay to get an abortion but (at one time) you couldn't have elective surgery... You could have a BLM riot and burn down a city, with no masks,
    but you couldn't go to a family funeral.

    There is a lot of hypocrisy, some of which is more recognizable than Trump. The cure is worse that the disease ... Saw a meme the other day that rang true... I have a CHINA virus joke to tell you.... but there is a 99.9% chance you won't get it.

    The CHINA virus has done more damage to our civil liberties than it did
    affect our health..

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 9 07:52:14 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats
    don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support
    immigration.

    Every Democrat in the presidential primary debates stated that they
    were in favor of open borders. They openly said it. When we talk about "open borders" we mean it; for people to come and go as they please,
    with no documentation needed.

    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    In contrast, Republicans such as Trump support LEGAL immigration,
    meaning people with a visa should come to the USA to live as residents with the option of applying for citizenship.

    What trump did in treating asylum seekers as criminals instead of the way asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from their parents will not help the situation at your border.

    The Democrats are not interested in securing the border, so there's nothing for them to discuss with Republicans. Sure, securing the
    border seems like a good idea to combat coronavirus, but the Democrats
    are not interested in combating coronavirus either.

    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what their border policy is and find a way forward.

    The coronavirus makes us weak. Democrats prey on the weak. The
    coronavirus opens many avenues of opportunities for the Democrats to
    offer handouts, criticize Trump, release inmates from prisons and
    jails, and get votes the sleazy way.

    The caronavirus does more that make us weak. It will kill us and destroy our health care system if we don't flatten, and keep on flattening the curve.

    It's not a black or white issue, or a Democrat or Repulican issue.

    We're keeping the border to your south pretty tight, but obviously it could use some work too, if your country is interested in containing people during the pandemic.

    We are not interested in containing people. We want to keep the spread of the coronavirus as low as possible.

    What does Canada do with illegal immigrants? I mean, how do they
    handle it? I know the UK doesn't appreciate them much.

    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility means that you would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian citizenship.

    Something like that would be needed for anyone after travel
    regardless of their citizenship or reasons for travel.

    There's never been a better time than now to combat illegal
    immigration, but here in the states, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna combat it any more than we ever have before. It's not realistic
    for us based on the Democrat to Republican ratio in our federal government.

    On the bright side the number of people currently entering the US is very low. Perhaps the caronavirus has something to do with that.

    So, we need to focus on this question:

    How do we get illegal immigrants to self quarantine when they get
    here?

    People simply should self quarantine after their travels. I don't know if there is a law like that in Canada but it is good practice and that's the guidance we get so that is what we do.

    People should do that in these times regardless of the reasons for their travel or the destinations.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Aug 9 12:32:50 2020
    On 08 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Yeah moving patients with Covid to a Nursing Home was super brilliant NOT !
    Look at the numbers, not some anecdotal statement.

    Why would the Governor of New York bring people infected w/ Covid into a environment such as a nursing home; where people are most susceptible and most vulnerable to the covid-19 virus? That was a real bone-head move.

    At first we know nothing how to combat the unseen killer.
    Through the leadership of President Trump we now have PPE gear including ventilators and pharmaceuticals which
    have proven effective indicated by Doctors from around the world.

    Too little, too late. The medical system was and still is under stra for getting sufficient PPE. In many areas the hospitals are strained over capacity. We do not have any effective treatment pharmaceutical

    Says who? Have you ever seen one of the Presidents covid briefings?
    (apparently not) When the President talks about the massive numbers of PPE, DME (Durable Medical Equipment) as well as the enormous stockpile of pharmaceuticals on hand.

    What did we know when this CHINA Virus first came to here?

    Not much, and the biggest impact came here from Europe.

    Europe? The virus did not originate in Europe.
    Everyone (including you) knows that.
    By the way, I see very clearly what your attempting to do here, fog up the issue make it seem unclear and dissolve responsibility from China.

    Protesting is a constitutional right. Rioting is a crime. Do not confuse the two.

    Does protesting include throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles, using lasers to blind cops or firing fireworks at officers.
    Since when is that protesting?

    The things you mention are rioting, and are not done by the vast
    majority of the peaceful protesters. Some of whom were blinded by the police.

    First of All: There it is. "The attempt" w/ they are not all bad,
    as if to suggest it is just some rotten apples among the basket.....
    Typical response from the left, the sad truth is you have no idea how many are rotten to the core, but I can guarantee you it is of a far greater number then you will say here. These are NOT a few instigators.

    Second of All: Not a single one - of these protesters were blinded by Police, As the Police do NOT use lasers to blind protesters, if they use them at all.

    "In Critical moments men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see."
    - Spock
    Yeah by the way, that's about you and not me - for the record.

    Exercise 1
    Here is a exercise you could try today. ( by the way NOT recommended )
    Walk up to an Antifa member and tell them that their efforts are pointless, because within your group there are very few who are violent.
    See what happens. Final Warning, This will not go well.

    Which proves my point, that your statement within context of rioting. was incorrect when you said the following
    "are not done by the vast majority of the peaceful protesters."

    But again if you doubt me then repeat Exercise 1 as many times as needed.
    Once will be effective to prove my point.

    China did not "unleash" Covid-19. They discovered it.

    Yeah they sure did... and they also did not contain it to China at all as people throughout the entire world have succumb to the China Virus many have died many more are recovering, You're welcome, don't mention it.

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper.
    Created would be a far better description to the truth.
    This was not something that already existed but actually was created in lab.

    This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party.

    Bull hockey pucks.

    Suggest Bull hockey pucks, all you wish, whatever the frig that means?
    What I have said is a true statement.

    "This irresponsibility sits squarely with the Chinese Communist Party."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 9 22:14:06 2020
    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for asylu is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a hearing and the

    There has been a change to this. Individuals who cross through a third country, but do not apply for asylum there first, will lose their right to apply for asylum in the USA. The move was challenged in the US Supreme Court, and was upheld.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    Haven't you heard about the underground tunnels? Human trafficking cartels? Wall jumpers? Swimming across the Rio Grande? This is all stuff that I'd
    call "sneaking."

    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the enemy yo seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they want law & order secure borders the same as you do.

    You lost me at the "law & order" part. Democrats are aligning with BLM & ANTIFA. There is non-stop violence in Portland, Oregon (of all places.) The Democrats want police defunded, inmates released early, and cheaper street drugs. It's not the version of "law & order" that I had in mind.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 10 17:02:24 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.

    I agree with you.

    Bill Gates wants open borders. Let everybody who wants to come
    here do so. Those who make it here will stay. Those who can't will
    leave. That is his philosophy.

    Democrats want illegal immigration to become legalized;

    Bill Gates wants to allow everybody to come here. That would mean
    no illegal immigrants, as per his own definition. Democrats have rules preventing illegal immigrants from coming here. Republicans, such as
    Donald Trump, have no problem allowing illegal immigrants become
    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    that's their definition of "open borders."

    Let's make Puerto Rico a state.
    Let's make the US Virgin Islands a state.
    Let's make Guam and the Northern Marianas a state.
    Let's make American Samoa a state.
    Let's make Washington, DC a state.

    If they get their way, they will have a tremendous amount of new voters with
    an appreciation for the Democratic Party.

    Hawai'i just had an election yesterday. Total mail-in ballots.
    This was scheduled before the coronavirus pandemic, so please to
    not get your panties all tied up in a knot about it. Trump did
    not object to Hawai'i conducting elections that are 100% mail-in
    ballots. So what is his problem with states doing so for the
    upcoming presidential election?

    asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from
    their AI> parents will not help the situation at your border.

    I agree, but separating children from people who may or may not be their >actual parents might be a great thing to do for those kids. Separating
    children from people who snuck into the USA might be great for those
    children too.

    What is taking place is kidnapping. Not all children and parents
    have been able to be re-united due to what has happened. What to do
    with these kids? Oh, put them up for adoption. Somebody will be
    happy to pay for them ...

    If I smuggled my kids into Canada by swimming across the St Lawrence River,
    and I got caught, would the Canadian authorities suspect that maybe I'm
    being a lousy parent?

    Some folks go to Canada and jump off Niagara Falls. Others do it
    from the US side. Not sure which side their bodies turn up on.
    But some survive ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 10 17:02:30 2020
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for asylum
    is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a hearing and the immigration department decides to give them asylum or not.

    Trump made up a rule to change that. In September 2019 the USSC
    decided to allow Trump's rule to remain in place until the courts
    decided the issue. As of now, the matter is still in the courts,
    with no decision made.

    --Lee

    --
    No justice! No peace!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 10 17:02:36 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    "We're asking everyboy that when you are not alone to socially >LL>distance, wear a mask, get a mask. Whether you like the mas or not,

    Did you forget to add something to that message? All these Trump quotes
    sound like excellent advice.

    My keyboar is getting ol, and some of the parts are breaking own.
    Usually the letter " " which makes everybo y look like everyboy.

    "No mas!" ~Roberto Duran to Sugar Ray Leonard, 8th round

    The one, and only time he ever took off his mask. The sight was so
    scary the referee declared Sugar Ray the winner by default.

    note: Roberto Duran was recently hospitalized with Covid-19, but
    survived. When he was released by the hospital, his victory over the
    virus was celebrated by everyone. But then, this was Hands of Stone,
    the only boxer who had ever defeated Sugar Ray Leonard in the ring.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 10 17:02:46 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump has finally come to his senses, realizing that Dr. Anthony LL>Fauci

    See? Now you can vote for him.

    Not until after he follows Dr. Fauci's footsteps and throws the first
    pitch for the Washington Nationals. At age 79, Dr. Fauci threw a pitch
    that was totally unhittable. Meanest curve ball I ever saw. He even
    wore a mask while throwing the pitch. After the game, he was named the
    MVP, and his baseball card sold out in record numbers.

    --Lee

    --
    Get Her Wet Here

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 10 17:02:54 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking AI>for
    asylu is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have AI>a
    hearing and the

    There has been a change to this. Individuals who cross through a third
    country, but do not apply for asylum there first, will lose their right to apply for asylum in the USA. The move was challenged in the US Supreme
    Court, and was upheld.

    Fake news! Fake news! The USSC decided nothing. It merely allowed
    Trump's rule to remain in place until the matter was decided by the
    courts.

    Nobody is sneaking.

    Haven't you heard about the underground tunnels? Human trafficking cartels?
    Wall jumpers? Swimming across the Rio Grande? This is all stuff that I'd
    call "sneaking."

    That's what border control is for. And they do a very good job.

    --Lee

    --
    Love trumps hate!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 10 10:56:28 2020
    Hello Lee,

    Asylum seekers arriving at the border on American soil and asking for
    asylum is perfectly legal. That is how it's done. Then they have a
    hearing and the immigration department decides to give them asylum or
    not.

    Trump made up a rule to change that. In September 2019 the USSC
    decided to allow Trump's rule to remain in place until the courts
    decided the issue. As of now, the matter is still in the courts,
    with no decision made.

    It's unfortunate that Donald Trump's executive orders are out of line with US and international law, and that the USSC didn't put it down as such.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 11 03:00:00 2020
    On 08-10-20 18:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: It is what it is <=-

    I understood how viruses travel; before you spelled out how it works. When this thread began it looked like China was being given a pass,

    Not true.

    when it was said that large amounts of the infected were coming from Europe.

    That is the fact.

    Make no mistake, nothing that even renders close to provide a
    pass to China, should be attempted EVER!

    I guess your point of view is "if the facts disagree with my ideas, then
    they should not be published". It seems if you got that directly from
    Trump. It is what he does.

    The FACTS are that Chinese did a lousy job of keeping this within
    China.

    Tell us what they did so wrong in your opinion? They totally shut down
    Wohan where the virus was first found. They have done a much better job
    at limiting its spread than the USA has done.


    It was Dale's statement that seemed to provide the pass that I was referring too...

    "biggest impact came here from Europe." Dale Shipp

    That is the truth -- I guess you cannot handle the truth.

    The biggest "epic center" was where the Virus was led out of the its creation point from within the Lab.

    Present evidence that it was created within a lab. What do you know
    that the intelligence community does not know?

    Europe the biggest impact? - to use as phrase from Joe Biden:
    Malarkey You can could Europe into China nearly 4 times.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    Here is another prospective.
    George Floyd's death was tragic but I do not believe for one moment
    the carnage and chaos that has happened since does NOT have a thing to
    do with Floyd's death.

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last
    straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Did he deserve to die: NO!

    That is the point of it all.

    Was he a good man: NO!

    How could the officers that participated in his murder have know
    anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He
    was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendeta against those who
    have made mistakes in their life.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones, nor do they

    It is not proven that he knows that he did that. Some fake bills look
    pretty real. Nothing that I have seen implies that he intentionally
    tried to pass fake money.

    point a gun at pregnant womens belly. (As alleged in the media.)

    Key words "as alleged", and true or not that is irrelevant to the
    incident.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 11 08:19:02 2020
    No, they don't. They need to approach someone at the border and ask for asy

    It's just like leaving the liquor cabinet unlocked with a house full of teenagers. They won't touch it because they know that they are too young to consume alcohol.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 11 08:30:02 2020
    Wohan where the virus was first found. They have done a much better job
    at limiting its spread than the USA has done.

    I'm sure Joe Biden will commend the hell out of them for that.

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Everything was fine until the Democrats & their associates exploited George Floyd's death. Was fine for whites, was fine for blacks. Nobody was complaining.

    It is not proven that he knows that he did that. Some fake bills look pretty real. Nothing that I have seen implies that he intentionally
    tried to pass fake money.

    It's not known that Derek Chauvin was culpable in the death. Nothing that I've seen implies that he purposefully committed homicide. Maybe it was all the meth that killed the counterfeit suspect.

    All I know for sure, is that we need to replace all the confederate statues with George Floyd statues.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 11 11:55:24 2020
    On 11 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    I guess your point of view is "if the facts disagree with my ideas, then they should not be published". It seems if you got that directly from Trump. It is what he does.

    Getting information from Trump is far better then getting the narrative
    twisted from the likes of CNN or MSNBC any day of the week.

    How could the officers know anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendetta against those who have made mistakes in their life.

    You are yet again attempting to twist this.
    The definition of tandamont; is as good as.
    There is no reference to the word vendetta.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones
    It is not proven that he knows that he did that.

    It is why the cops arrived on the scene.

    If George Floyd simply obeyed all of the officers commands, he would be alive today, but he calmed he was claustrophobic which is why the police had trouble getting into the back of the police car.

    From my observation he appeared to be cramped up within that vehicle that he was driving, he was flipping out then. Therefore there had to be another
    reason why he did not want to be arrested. Could it be because of another conviction or he would of been guilty of being in violation of his parole.

    Have you seen the destruction Minneapolis?
    I suspect that they (the media that you watch) don't care to show this.

    Url 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txI_X8YniBc

    Url 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htcU0V-g9L4

    Does it look like this was done by just a few people, as you have suggested?

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings have been reduced to rubble.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 11 20:48:06 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The coronavirus was first discovered in China. Then it spread to
    other countries, and eventually the entire world. That is the way >LL>viruses work. They spread from one place to another, and never
    stop until there is nobody left it can infect. Those infected in
    China traveled to Europe, and then to the USA. How difficult is
    that to understand?

    I understood how viruses travel; before you spelled out how it works. When
    this thread began it looked like China was being given a pass, when it
    was said that large amounts of the infected were coming from Europe. Make no
    mistake, nothing that even renders close to provide a pass to China,
    should be attempted EVER!

    Trump's fake travel ban was everything he claimed it was - FAKE!
    That is why so many infected people from Europe here able to get
    here.

    The FACTS are that Chinese did a lousy job of keeping this within China.

    China tried its best to keep it contained, but was unable to do so.
    Yes, China was slow in reporting about the virus to the WHO. How slow?
    Six days. Did those six days make any real difference as to containing
    the virus within China? Absolutely not.

    The World Health Organization is not so innocent in this either as the WHO
    Chief was hand picked by China. The United States of America was the top contributor more then any other country to the World Health Organization in the world.

    The United States could not have contained the virus had it been
    first discovered here. Did it even originate in China? Nobody really
    knows. It could have been latent for decades, in some rural area,
    literally anywhere in the world. Many historians believe the Spanish
    Flu might very well have originated in the United States, most likely
    in Kansas. Does that mean we should call it the American Flu?

    You do see how silly your leader is by calling the pandemic the
    Chinese Flu, or "Kung Flu" in his own words? This is no laughing
    matter. The entire world is dying as a result of this virus.

    Now, they do not get 10 cents from the U.S.A.

    Oh, China gets much more than 10 cents from the USA. So much more.
    In fact, China got the orange one's full attention. So much so, that
    your dear leader cannot get the Chinese leader's out of his mind.

    It was Dale's statement that seemed to provide the pass that I was referring
    too...

    "biggest impact came here from Europe." Dale Shipp

    Please do try to follow the bouncing ball -
    People who were infected in China traveled to Europe.
    People who were infected in Europe traveled to the USA.
    See how that works?
    People who were infected in one place infect other people
    in another place who then infect people somewhere else.
    And then people who travel everywhere infect people everywhere
    so it really makes no difference where they have been, where they
    are, or where they are going to.

    The biggest "epic center" was where the Virus was led out of the its
    creation point from within the Lab.

    There is no evidence to support your contention that the virus
    was created within a lab. Totally unsupported and unsubstantiated.

    Europe the biggest impact? - to use as phrase from Joe Biden: Malarkey

    The biggest impact is the entire world. People are dying everywhere.
    Not just in China, Europe, and the USA.

    You can could Europe into China nearly 4 times.

    The UK holds the top spot for the mortality death rate at 70
    per 100,000 people. The US is fourth at 50 per 100,000 people.
    It will not be long before the US holds the top spot. Whose
    fault is that? President Donald J. Trump.

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who >LL>were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    There was another "leaked video" of the events of what happened before he >died. Do not misunderstand me as I will say here clearly the man did NOT >deserve to die. This video does show everything that happened before the
    viral video that has
    seen by millions that has been a tearing at the Nations seams since it was >released.

    Floyd was in constraints when his neck was being crushed by the
    officer's knee, suffocating him to death. Three other officers chose
    to do nothing to intervene, allowing the murder in slow motion to
    continue until well after Floyd was dead. And then all four murderers
    went back to their station to fill out their report.

    Here is another prospective.
    George Floyd's death was tragic but I do not believe for one moment the >carnage and chaos that has happened since does NOT have a thing to do with >Floyd's death.

    The only "carnage and chaos" that has happened was Trump's illegal
    use of force against peaceful protesters.

    Here is that other video (the one, we never got a chance to see) >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw

    As the video starts off. He could seem to understand the simple instructions
    provided by the cop. To put both hands on the wheel as he did not comply,
    he did so with the left
    hand only at first, the cop gave the instruction over and over again "put
    the
    both hands on the wheel!". I do not see him trying to resist arrest, but it
    is apparent that he was very terrified even made said "please don't shot me
    man." Again he was terrified, shaken and scared.

    Well, whoop tee doo, the officers chose not to shoot him, deciding
    to suffocate him instead. What a wonderful way to die!

    Although as I say: Floyd was not complaint through most of the video. Either
    he did not understand or was stoned out of his mind. (it has been
    determined that he did have the narcotic fentanyl was found)

    There is no excuse for murder. Which is exactly what this was.

    Here are the the medical findings: >https://www.independentsentinel.com/report-full-autopsy-of-mr-floyd-fentanyl-me
    th-and-pot/

    I do not see where Floyd was NOT combative just not was not at all coherent >or following the instructions of the officer at 5:12 of the video Floyd says >repeatably "I'm not that kind of guy, I think that this his way of
    indicating
    that was not trying to be difficult or combative. Like I have also stated he >was not so good in following the instructions to any degree. Did he deserve
    to die: NO! Was he a good man: NO! Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for real ones, nor do they point a gun at pregnant womens belly. (As alleged in the media.)

    Regardless of what your opinion might be, it is totally irrelevant
    as to whether Floyd was a "good" man or a "bad" man. There simply is
    no excuse for any officer to murder a suspect, especially a suspect
    who was already in constraints and on the ground, with three other
    officers around for backup.

    Was Floyd guilty of having committed a crime? Let the courts decide.
    It is not up to the officers to decide innocence or guilt of anyone.
    And especially not by snuffing out the life of the accused by using
    a knee.

    I mean, officers do have guns, which presumably are loaded. One
    quick shot to the back of the head should do it. A lot quicker, and
    totally painless. But no, one officer had to take his time. Eight
    minutes, and forty-six seconds. Timed, on camera, for the entire
    world to watch.

    And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.

    To your baseless point (from above)
    about these black kids were never shot - playing dead >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^ your words not mine. ^^


    Well, Floyd did ask the cops not to shoot him ...

    The same is true about those innocent children shot and killed by stray >bullets by those involved with the aftermath of Black on Black Crime and >members of BLM but people on the left will say that was reported by Fox News >and therefore it is considered to be Fake News. Keep telling yourself that
    also, never happened...

    President Clinton still has his office in Harlem. Seems quite
    happy with it.

    By the way, The use of the word "Discover" would NOT be improper.
    Crea LL> > would be a far better description to the truth. This was not something t LL> > already existed but actually was created in lab.
    Yeah. Right. By Morgus the Magnificent. Right here in New Orleans.

    What's the matter Lee. Having a slight issue with that fact also.

    You never met Morgus (or his assistant, Chopsley). I have.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 11 20:48:10 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    Melania was an illegal?

    After Trump married her, she was legal.
    That is why it was called a legal marriage,
    rather than a sham marriage.

    not object to Hawai'i conducting elections that are 100% mail-in >LL>ballots. So what is his problem with states doing so for the
    upcoming presidential election?

    Hawaii doesn't share a land border with thousands of Democrat activists from
    central America.

    Hawai'i has airports. Same as all other states.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Aug 11 16:13:54 2020
    legalized, as he actually married one of them.

    Melania was an illegal?

    After Trump married her, she was legal.
    That is why it was called a legal marriage,
    rather than a sham marriage.

    So she snuck into the USA illegally? Or was she here on an expired visa?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 12 01:58:00 2020
    On 08-11-20 08:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    Floyd's death and its dramatic video evidence were the trigger or last straw to a long simmering unrest.

    Everything was fine until the Democrats & their associates exploited George Floyd's death. Was fine for whites, was fine for blacks. Nobody was complaining.

    If you think that nobody was complaining, then you must have gone deaf
    and blind years ago.

    It's not known that Derek Chauvin was culpable in the death. Nothing
    that I've seen implies that he purposefully committed homicide. Maybe
    it was all the meth that killed the counterfeit suspect.

    DUH -- he held his knee on George's neck for more than eight minutes,
    cutting off his air. If you think that does not make him culpable in
    the death, then something is wrong with your logic. The only question
    for the courts will be what degree of murder.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 12 02:59:02 2020
    On 08-11-20 11:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about It is what it is <=-

    Getting information from Trump is far better then getting the
    narrative twisted from the likes of CNN or MSNBC any day of the week.

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well known
    that is not Trump.

    How could the officers know anything about his history? To say that he deserved to die because "He was not a good man" is tandamont to issuing a vendetta against those who have made mistakes in their life.

    You are yet again attempting to twist this.
    The definition of tandamont; is as good as.
    There is no reference to the word vendetta.

    Your definition is correct for the word that I meant to type,
    tantamount, and I meant the usage of the term vendetta. You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in the past.

    Good men, do not pass off fake $20.00 bills for
    real ones
    It is not proven that he knows that he did that.

    It is why the cops arrived on the scene.

    The cops arrived at the scene because the clerks in the store said that
    they had been given a fake $20 bill. No one ever attempted to determine whether or not Floyd had known that the bill was fake.

    If George Floyd simply obeyed all of the officers commands, he would
    be alive today, but he calmed he was claustrophobic which is why the police had trouble getting into the back of the police car.

    From my observation he appeared to be cramped up within that vehicle
    that he was driving, he was flipping out then. Therefore there had to

    Based on the last police cam video posted, it looks like the police did
    not even attempt to question him in any sort of normal interrogation.
    Instead they gave him threatening commands while holding a gun on him.
    It is believable that having a gun pushed in your face would cause most
    people to "flip out".

    be another reason why he did not want to be arrested. Could it be
    because of another conviction or he would of been guilty of being in violation of his parole.

    Where did you see that he was on parole at the time of the incident?

    Have you seen the destruction Minneapolis?
    I suspect that they (the media that you watch) don't care to show
    this.

    I saw what you posted on network news, CNN, MSMBC and FoxNews. What are
    you trying to intimidate?

    Does it look like this was done by just a few people, as you have suggested?

    No, it does not look like a few people, nor have I previously said that.
    I will admit that there was an immediate uprising triggered by pent up
    anger that resulting in many people committing acts of violence and
    causing great damage. While I can sort of understand their frustration,
    I by no means condone their actions. If found, they should be charged
    and prosecuted.

    What I have said is that after that initial outburst, the great number
    of people began peaceful protests. There were still a few who performed
    acts of violence inconsistent with what the majority was doing. Those
    people should also be caught, charged and subjected to lawful
    punishment. But it cannot be allowed for those few people to tarnish
    the legitimate protest of the rest. Nor can they be the justification
    for the type of violent treatment that has been meted out to the
    protest crowds in some situations, e.g. Lafayette Square.

    Many Business owners have lost everything now that those buildings
    have been reduced to rubble.

    And they deserve to be compensated for their loss.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 09:58:48 2020
    Brown or Tamir Rice or Walter Scott or Philando Castile or Stephon Clark
    or Breonna Taylor or Rayshard Brooks.

    What can we do about it? What can they do about it?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 10:08:42 2020
    It would have very easy for the cop to have given Floyd a warrant to
    appear in court instead of cuffing him under gunpoint.

    It's easy to tell others how to do their job, but Derek Chauvin has a lieutenant to answer to.

    Cops give appearance tickets to people who were caught speeding, or running a red light. But certain offenses require the suspect to be detained & processed.

    Counterfeiting is not like a speeding ticket. It's like stealing someone's credit card and then trying to use it. People speed by accident, but they don't counterfeit by accident.

    I'm confident that a police sergeant isn't going to take a suspect to the police station for processing if he doesn't have to. You seem to be arguing that counterfeiting is as harmless as a traffic violation.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 10:13:06 2020
    Insurance is not the only means of compensation. They deserve to be compensated for their loss by what ever means possible. It is not
    certain that they will receive such compensation.

    The best compensation I can think of is prison sentences for the peaceful protesters who looted & burned the places to ground.

    Forget about government bail outs - that's just a fancy way to describe our taxes paying for the carnage of peaceful protests.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 13 08:26:36 2020
    Re: Re: It is what it is
    By: Aaron Thomas to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 2020 10:08 am

    It's easy to tell others how to do their job, but Derek Chauvin has a lieutenant to answer to.

    Derek Chauvin was recently back to work after some kind of an incident, not because he was wanted back but because his contract stipulated he would be back to work.

    The police force in Minniapolis has made changes so this doesn't happen since the Goerge Floyd murder although we'll see if those changes do indeed work.

    The issue is/was contacts negotiated by police unions that have become very powerful and enable bad behaviour within police departments. In a lot of cases an officer could be fired in one jurisdiction without any record of why and go work in another like nothing ever happened.

    A recipe for disaster.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Dale Shipp on Thu Aug 13 16:19:04 2020
    Re: Re: It is what it is
    By: Dale Shipp to Kostie Muirhead on Thu Aug 13 2020 01:07 am

    It is well known that they both worked at the same place. I have not
    seen evidence that they actually knew each other or had disagreements.
    It is possible, and is something that the detectives handling the case

    I had seen it reported on, but upon searching for a source it appears the original witness has changed his story. Hard to say what that means, and I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Aug 14 10:58:40 2020
    On 13 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-12-20 14:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    You need to develop some sources that tell the truth. It is well kno that is not Trump.

    Trump is the President even when people like you said he would never

    He is that, unfortunately for the country, the economy and the 160,000 dead people.

    be the President. It is the lame street media who twists his words an take things out of context and they this deliberately, to plant the seed into the weak minded, who can not think for themselves.

    They do not need to twist his words -- they simply quote them. Talk
    about planting seed into the weak minded who cannot think for themselves -- what do you think he and Fox news have been doing for years.

    What do I think Fox News does is Fair and Balanced and still unafraid...
    It was the Hannity show that blew the lid off on the phony Russian dossier
    as well of the connections to that were to remain hidden from the American public.

    Not intimidate (late night fingers) but indicate, imply or whatever
    fits.

    No worries, I understand.

    I will tell you why exactly with what happened at Lafayette Square. The number one job of the Secret Service is to protect the President.

    Then why did they suddenly start pushing people back with force,
    shooting chemical agents and rubber bullets. If they needed to clear
    a path, they could have easily posted it sooner so that Trump could get his photo op in front of the church.

    Do you believe that crowd would of stopped or paid any attention to such a sign, I do not believe this either and neither did the people who pushed them in such a way.

    Do you know how insurance works beyond inner workings of your mind?

    Insurance is not the only means of compensation. They deserve to be compensated for their loss by what ever means possible. It is not
    certain that they will receive such compensation.

    If it is not certain that they will be compensated, why should they rebuild? With insurance comes "risk assessment" of which is very high when the Police has been told to stand down.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 14 10:43:18 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    The peaceful protesters are burning buildings down and killing people;

    Ah, no. The peaceful protesters are not doing this although I know Donald Trump and other weak minded people put it so.

    I'm not gonna join that.

    I wouldn't join any rioting or destruction of property either.

    I'm not sure how these things become a riot. Anger perhaps.

    Holding an entire city hostage, because one color is suffering, that's
    not fair to the other colors.

    People of color are, and have been for a long time, being killed by police when that is not needed. That is and has been happening on the streets of America.

    George Floyd should not have been killed because he used a bad $20 bill (knowingly or not) to buy cigarettes.

    That is the reason for the BLM movement.

    Citizens shouldn't pay for George Floyd's mistakes or for Derek
    Chauvin's mistakes.

    That is not the case.

    They should voice their concerns to the appropriate law makers in
    their districts, but then again, there's no free stuff involved when
    you go that route.

    Free stuff is not and never was the issue. This was an issue before BLM and is still an issue.

    Let's work on the underlying issues that cause these problems and not paint these people as criminals.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Greg Youngblood@1:123/130 to Ron Lauzon on Fri Aug 14 18:19:36 2020
    Unfortunately, with the education system long in the hands of the Left, the number of people who can't think
    for themeslves is growing. But it's getting worse. Not only are many
    of these people uneducated, they are
    mis-educated (taught that many falsehoods are true).


    Ron

    Here, here!

    Spot on...
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 14 18:04:16 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Ah, no. The peaceful protesters are not doing this although I know
    Donald Trump and other weak minded people put it so.

    We had a "peaceful protest" here in Binghamton. At the conclusion of
    the protest, they decided to burn down a handicapped-accessible
    playground owned by the city.

    That's not what I read.

    There were over a thousand people marching during the day. Peacefully.

    A small number of protesters stayed later but did leave after an organizer asked them to leave and maintain peacefull demonstrations.

    They took something away that my kids used to enjoy, and I helped pay
    for.

    I'm sorry that happened to your park and hope it can be rebuilt.

    "Black Lives Matter" <- That's who did this to us. I'm not blaming someone out of convenience like people do with Trump - this was done
    by Black Lives Matter without a doubt.

    I believe there was a demonstration there, maybe it was organized by BLM, I'm not sure. I don't believe BLM is reponsible for what happened there and from what I read the mayor doesn't either.

    It is convenient to blame BLM but that doesn't make it so. That is not what BLM is all about and it's not the outcome they are striving for.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 15 00:21:00 2020
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:

    Hello Aaron,

    You are kind of free & loose with the term illegal. Democrats
    don't in fact support illegal immigrants although they do support
    immigration.


    Democrats most certainly DO support `illegal immigrants'. They are talking about abolishing Homeland Security.


    Every Democrat in the presidential primary debates stated that they
    were in favor of open borders. They openly said it. When we talk about "open borders" we mean it; for people to come and go as they please,
    with no documentation needed.


    Open border and illegal immigrants are two different things.


    How do you think the number of *illegals* living and working in this country gotinto the MILLIONS? Osmosis? Prior to 9/11 illegal aliens poured across the Southern Border in droves! I lived and worked in Arizona for many years, and illegal aliens kncked on my door and asked for food and water all the time; at least once or twice a month.


    In contrast, Republicans such as Trump support LEGAL immigration,
    meaning people with a visa should come to the USA to live as residents
    with the option of applying for citizenship.


    What trump did in treating asylum seekers as criminals instead of the way AI>asylum seekers had previously been treated, separating children from their AI>parents will not help the situation at your border.


    Pretending to be an `asylum seeker' after getting discovered in a car trunk with two or three other `asylum seekers' doesn't qualify as `seeking asylum'; its called attempting to enter the country *illegally*!


    And we have *immigration laws*! Laws are meant to be followed. Democrat
    lefties don't follow laws that are inconvient to them. When they want the narrative their way....they quickly find a microphone and spout their version of; "...we are a nation of laws!"


    Except when they want to circumvent the law or pretend it doesn't exist at all.Like Hillary Clinton and her crime family destroying cell phones that were under subpoena; taking hammers to hard drives; shredding hard drives.....etc.



    The Democrats are not interested in securing the border, so there's
    nothing for them to discuss with Republicans. Sure, securing the
    border seems like a good idea to combat coronavirus, but the Democrats
    are not interested in combating coronavirus either.


    It may not be easy but America has to make a decision on what their border AI>policy is and find a way forward.


    We already HAVE laws pertaining to border enforcement. They are regularly ignored by democrats.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 14 21:33:00 2020
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:

    Hello Aaron,


    Democrats are Americans, just like you. I don't think they are the enemy AI>you seem to think they are. They are different sure, but they want law & AI>order and secure borders the same as you do.


    Not so. `Democrats' ignore, twist, circumvent our laws all the time. (Where have you been these last sixty or so days? Those are *democrats* ignoring
    laws, allowing violent rioters to run rampant, loot businesses, destroy property, commit arson.....


    Deportation and/or inadmissibility are possible. Inadmissibility
    means that you would have no legal pathway to apply for Canadian
    citizenship.


    Such laws exist here as well. What is lacking is ENFORCEMENT! Until Donald Trump became president here most if not all those `laws' were rarely if ever enforced fully. If they had been e would not now have in excess of 20 or more MILLION illegal aliens in our midst. If Biden wins election it will only get worse.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 14 21:45:00 2020
    On 08-09-20, ALAN IANSON said to AARON THOMAS:


    People who support BLM are Americans too, and these people are standing up AI>for law & order and I don't think you need to fear an anti fascist


    Again...where have you been these last 6 or 8 weeks? n a cave?


    BLM and Antifa mobs have been looting and destroying businesses in several cities around the US. They have also committed assaults as well as murder!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Aug 14 22:10:00 2020
    On 08-10-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 08-09-20 12:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    This was not something that already existed but actually was created
    in lab.


    That is an unverified fake conspiracy rumor. There is no evidence to DS>support such a charge.


    You're talking to the wall! Shipp and the rest of the choir castrati ignore facts that are inconvenient or do not support the leftist narrative.


    Soon they will develope a scenario which either implies, or outright accuses Donald Trump of starting the Covid 19 pandemic!



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Aug 15 00:28:00 2020

    And George Floyd is still breathing just fine, while keeping his
    mother company. And let's not forget about all those black kids who
    were just playing dead after white cops shot them with blanks.


    There was another "leaked video" of the events of what happened before he GD>died. Do not misunderstand me as I will say here clearly the man did NOT GD>deserve to die.


    A few things need to be pointed out here;


    Firstly...Floyd told the cops he was `claustrohobic' when they tried to put
    him in the cop car (an enclosed space).


    But.....Floyd was intoxicated and passed out behind the wheel of his car (an enclosed space!)


    Secondly...Floyd did not die at the scene where they were attempting to arrest him; he died at the hospital.


    Thirdly...he did not die of lack of air.... he had methamphetamine, Fentanyl, and high concentrates of alchohol in his system.


    His autopsy report shows that blood samples were taken soon after he arrived
    at the hospital (around 9pm). He died 25 minutes later (9:25 pm).


    People do not die of asphixiation with a `breathing tube' inserted!


    He died of an overdose. There were no fatal wounds. His neck wasn't even bruised! The drug effects were enhanced by the alchohol in his system.


    He didn't deserve to die. But resisting arrest is not a recommended plan of action at any time.


    With the amount of alchohol and ilegal drugs in his system, it is as proper to say he died of an overdose.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Aug 14 23:33:00 2020
    On 08-12-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    You seem to be justifying punishing people for what they might have done in DS>the past.


    Try to remember Shipp said this when the lefties start talking `reparations' for slavery that is over 150 years in the past!



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Aug 15 00:30:00 2020
    On 08-14-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 08-13-20 10:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-


    The best compensation I can think of is prison sentences for the
    peaceful protesters who looted & burned the places to ground.

    Your sentence is an oxymoron. Peaceful protesters are protected by the DS>first amendment. They have the complete right to do so.


    Those who loot or burn are not peaceful protesters and should be DS>prosecuted.


    Remember Shipp said this when the democrats and media continue to ignore the violence, looting, arson and murders occuring in several notorious DEMOCRAT cities around the country.


    Did you see the news that a guy came out of his house and deliberately shot a youngster to death who was rding a small bicycle? The child was four or five years old.


    Did I mention the child was white and the shooter was black?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sat Aug 15 07:30:54 2020
    Do you not realize how contradictory your sentence is?

    My point is that through the eyes of the liberal media, all protesters are "peaceful protesters."

    There's no such thing as "peaceful protesters" anymore. All these George Floyd inspired protests are ending with either ashes, more dead people, or both.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sat Aug 15 07:34:28 2020
    Again -- that would depend on whether or not you knew it was stolen. If you came into possession of stolen property, subsequently were told it
    was stolen, and then made restitution -- there would/should be no
    penalty. Same goes for having and using a counterfeit bill.

    If you think stuff works that way, you're in for a rude awakening when you step outside your cave!

    Cops don't find people with stolen (or counterfeited) stuff and start asking "Did you KNOW this was stolen?" They don't give a crap! When you're busted, you're busted, whether you think you did anything wrong or not. If you resist arrest, you might end up dead.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Sat Aug 15 07:45:18 2020
    Did I mention the child was white and the shooter was black?

    I read that article. It was published within the last few days.

    Are our liberal friends reading that article on their left wing media?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Sat Aug 29 07:52:46 2020
    She and others were convicted and sentenced to 25 years. The crime was considered so horrendous that she was banned from being included in Trump's prison reform effort. She in fact turned up on a list of guests of the Whit

    What happened with her? Pardoned by Obama?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Sat Aug 29 07:55:18 2020
    `Sarcasm' is completely lost on a leftie democrat. Which sometimes is exact what makes it so funny!

    I think it's a type of autism, which is unfortunate. People with autism deserve all the same opportunities as everyone else, but they should stay away from journalism.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 31 16:53:06 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    The reason for the clearing of protesters doesn't matter.
    Of course it matters. The protesters where not doing anything
    illegal.

    When police tell me to leave, I leave.

    Smart move. Especially in the USA.

    Sounds like some kind of a police state, is that what you want for
    America? looks like that is happening now in America.

    Yes. I want the police to have more control than what they have now.

    Do you really?

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/


    Hell is already here. What depth of Hell do you want to live in?

    Right now, the police are intimidated by Democat-paid activists.

    If the police are so scared of women and babies, we really are in
    deep doo-doo. Not that any of those women and babies are as you claim "Democat-paid activists" - whatever that is.

    I'm against counterfeiting, drugs, robbery, rape, and murder.

    But you are okay with police killing women and babies. Especially
    those women and babies who are "Democat-paid activists." Right?

    The police have always had our back in these situations, and the left wants
    to interfere with it all of a sudden, I guess because of TDS.

    Oh, yeah. Those women and babies will be the death of us all.
    Better to let the police take care of them before we all die of
    fright.

    You don't need to point a gun or any weapon at police today, AI>or even
    behave a threatening manor to end up dead or maimed at AI>the hands of police. We've seen all this recently.

    You're correct, but it's never been a good idea to protest against police,
    and it's even worse to do it while you've got your kids with you.

    Not to worry. The police are there to "serve and protect" you from
    them dangerous women and babies ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 31 16:54:04 2020
    If the police are so scared of women and babies, we really are in
    deep doo-doo. Not that any of those women and babies are as you claim "Democat-paid activists" - whatever that is.

    Nobody was killed in that protest, but people are getting killed in all the other peaceful riots.

    You would be a great candidate for the Democrat-Paid Activist position. Check your local craigslist for one of Joe's ads.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 31 17:04:38 2020
    They took an oath. Nothing in that oath requires any of them to obey
    the whims of a wannabe dictator gone mad. So why do some do it?

    Trump didn't say "Fire the tear gas!" They made that decision on their own. It's fun to blame Trump I guess, since they were doing it to make room for his photo-op.

    If you want to see a dictator in action, check out Andrew Cuomo. Despite having a democrat majority state assembly & a democrat majority state senate, he still steps on their backs with nothing but executive orders. He's a perfect example of why you should vote against Demcorats; they are all like that.

    Trump has signed a few I guess, but nothing as prolific as King Cuomo.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 31 21:05:28 2020
    On 31 Aug 20 15:05:16, Alan Ianson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    I don't think so. The BLM movement and the issue of police behaviour is not political. It is something that needs to be solved in the departments where these problems exist.

    You really make it seem like police departments across North America are routinely targeting and killing black people and that "cops are bad" and
    BLM is such a noble cause... that just isn't true by a long shot. Please provide me factual evidence to show me wrong. I already showed evidence to
    the contrary in a previous message.

    There are such things as bad cops, but its such a small percentage and you of all people should be mildly intelligent to realise that in 2020 everyone is a fucking filmmaker, where seconds of video sets a narrative; but the whole story and footage tells a different story altogether.

    I seriously doubt you are related to or friends with anyone in law enforcement for if you were you would not make such ongoing ignorant blanket statements.

    Have you actually sat down and talked to a cop about what it is they deal
    with? Our tax dollars rightfully go towards their trust that they will deal with crime and enforce laws that we often take for granted. What a cop goes through on a daily shift is no joke; its a seriously emotionally-taxing job
    to do. Could you be a cop for a day? I couldn't and doubt you could either.

    Sometimes a cop uses excessive force and thats bad, but not every cop is bad just like not every postal worker is going to shoot up their coworkers.

    Now in a large city (which I seriously doubt you live in), there exists areas which are of high crime, so naturally there is a high police presence. The
    BLM movement specifically calls for the defunding and/or abolishing of the police, so who will patrol and deal with crime in those neighborhoods? Don't believe me? Look at the BLM website.

    I have lived in downtown Toronto since 2007. Show me factual evidence of all of these problems you claim exist. Show me where Toronto cops routinely target and *KILL black people*.

    What part of "If you don't want to be arrested, don't commit a crime" seems to go over your head? Did you know that the vast majority of Toronto crime is gang-related? What should cops do, ask them politely to stop?

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 1 05:30:24 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    If the police are so scared of women and babies, we really are in
    deep doo-doo. Not that any of those women and babies are as you claim >LL>"Democat-paid activists" - whatever that is.

    Nobody was killed in that protest, but people are getting killed in all the
    other peaceful riots.

    Joe Biden condemned all acts of violence, regardless of whatever
    side did it. And so should we all. As well as your dear preznit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 1 05:30:50 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    They took an oath. Nothing in that oath requires any of them to obey >LL>the whims of a wannabe dictator gone mad. So why do some do it?

    Trump didn't say "Fire the tear gas!" They made that decision on their own.

    Bullcrap.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 1 09:50:40 2020
    BLM is not minimizing deaths of other colours, I don't know why you take it that way.

    They shot some woman for saying "All lives matter."

    The coronavirus is not racist. It will make people sick and some will die regardless of their colour. Perhaps black people are more at risk and I do wish that on them, or anyone.

    You're right about that, and same here. But have you heard about this? The media, and Democratic NYC mayor Bill Deblasio want everyone to know that the virus is disproportionately infecting more blacks than whites. Notice how powerful a message like that can be?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 1 10:08:58 2020
    When a cop does something wrong they should be reprimanded for that and retrained when that is possible or let go. A permanent record should also b kept so that other jurisdictions don't unknowingly hire a bad cop.

    These things already exist. Derek Chauvin, the cop who knelt on George Floyd, is in jail right now. But that's not enough for extremists; they want ALL cops to pay for Derek Chauvin's crime.

    Sometimes members of our military mess up too, and they get reprimanded. But just imagine the consequences if we were to defund the military because of it?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Sep 4 03:02:12 2020
    On 09-03-20 09:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It is what it is <=-

    You are correct in that it was forcefully cleared, people were gassed
    with pepper spray, hit with batons and shields. The people were
    peaceful. There was much coverage and criticism of the event. The
    people who were shot with rubber bullets were another night, my mistake.

    We have all seen how quickly these so called peaceful protest can
    become volatile.

    Sometimes precipitated by the actions of the police, sometimes by
    radical right-wing groups, and always by a small percentage of those who
    are there.

    What are they protesting about in first place?

    Against systemic racial prejudice and the resulting actions.

    Black Job equality? These people have affirmative action, getting
    hired based on their skin color is racist. It should be the right
    person wither a man or a women of any race.

    Of course it should be. But all too often it is not. In a previous
    life, I had the opportunity to help evaluate people for promotion. It
    became obvious that people had been held back because of previous discrimination. For example, even though their performance was equal to
    other candidates they would be discriminated against because they did
    not get a college degree 20 years ago. Some did not have the same job
    record because of discrimination in previous years. It would be
    wonderful if we did not feel a need to take such past discrimination
    into account, and maybe someday that will be true. We are not yet
    there.

    Black people wouldn't get killed by a officer's gun, if they would
    simply comply with Police instruction,

    It is a fact of life for people of color that they are often treated differently from others by police. There are times when the "police instruction" is absurd.

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    Dale Shipp
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    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Fri Sep 4 10:14:32 2020
    life, I had the opportunity to help evaluate people for promotion. It became obvious that people had been held back because of previous

    Employment/promotion discrimination seems to be a regional thing, or a case-by-case thing. Not a thing that happens everywhere all the time. I've seen it firsthand too. When I saw it, it was an Indian discriminating against a black man. Then years later, it was latinos discriminating against a white man - that white man being me - and it happened on numerous occasions. Where were the peaceful protesters when I needed them?

    It is a fact of life for people of color that they are often treated differently from others by police. There are times when the "police

    You're making a mistake: Only black people are treated differently by police - isn't that what the narrative said? Refer to the liberal bible page 1.

    There are also times when black people are killed simply because they
    are perceived as being in a place where they do not belong.

    There you go! Just blacks. Only blacks are victims, nobody else. Remember to keep that story straight. You'll be drinking wine coolers with Trevor Noah in a hot tub some day soon!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 7 01:28:36 2020
    Please won't you be my neighbor?

    --
    We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

    Mr Rogers could have shortened the song with just that tagline. That's
    all he what he was probably getting at :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 7 01:32:50 2020
    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.

    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they are obviously not at all peaceful.

    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and you might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 7 16:08:26 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Please won't you be my neighbor?
    -- LL>We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

    Mr Rogers could have shortened the song with just that tagline. That's all
    he what he was probably getting at :)

    He was a strange character in real life. Actor Tom Hanks said he
    had to learn all his habits and mannerisms in order to play the part.
    I think the red cardigan sweater worn by Mister Rogers is on display
    at the Smithsonian, as his show influenced millions of youngsters.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 7 16:09:18 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.

    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they are
    obviously not at all peaceful.

    People have a constitutional right to protest. Sending in law
    enforcement to disrupt peaceful protests in order to have a photo
    op for the president is illegal.

    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and you
    might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.

    After he leaves office on January 20, 2021 Trump can lead his
    own Tea Party group of peaceful protests all he wants.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Sep 11 20:43:00 2020
    On 09-07-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

    Trump and his supporters do not like that. So they are having
    a hissy fit.


    Give us some credit. What we don't like about the protests is that they AT>are obviously not at all peaceful.


    Try changing all this horrible crap into strictly peaceful protests, and AT>you might even be able to get Trump to help with your cause.


    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Sat Sep 12 01:10:58 2020
    On 11 Sep 20 20:43:00, Tim Richardson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.

    Everyone cannot see that the longer the riots go on, the more its an advertisement to vote for Trump. The average American does not want violence and mayhem in their country, they want peace and all of this nonsense to stop. Especially when a so-called peaceful protestor is shown helping themselves to
    a flat-screen TV all in the name of "systemic racism".

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Sat Sep 12 11:28:20 2020
    The longer these riots and arsons go on, the more people bail out of the leftist deomcrat cities where they are happening.

    BLM came to my town, destroyed a few things, and now they're long gone. The damage they did here was only $750,000 but we are a small town and the repairs have not even begun. (BLM destroyed city property back on August 2nd.)

    I think that when Black Lives Matter destroys city property, they should lose their right to protest in that city. After all, people lose their right to own guns at certain points in their lives, so other rights should be used as leverage too.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 13 10:45:50 2020
    So how can you be sure it was BLM protesters that did that?

    This is a small town, we don't have arson every day. When BLM is burning buildings and police cars all over the USA, then they come to our park and leave with it in flames, I choose reality over political correctness.

    This is also a Democrat town. We do what's politically correct I guess, and in this case that involves turning our backs on the city's poorest children in favor of BLM, all because of George Floyd & his stupid fake $20.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Janis Kracht on Sun Sep 13 23:38:18 2020
    "In Binghamton, hundreds of protesters march in solidarity with Rochester activists"

    Nothing seems to have been destroyed this time. I'm happy about that. Why couldn't BLM behave like these Binghamton protesters?

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