On 09-16-20 12:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
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How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
pretty much under control.

I answered Al's similar question a few messages back, but something I forgot to mention was that Andrew Cuomo routinely empowers organized
crime in NYS. People like me complain about it, then liberals defend
it by twisting words around.

That is not the topic we are discussing, and I doubt that you can
provide any evidence about it anyhow.

..and if covid-19 was a criminal, it would be no exception; Cuomo bolstered the strength of covid-19 by forcing small nursing homes to attempt to contain the virus. I think he was originally pandering to
the seniors in that scenario, trying to sell them "I made sure you
could go back to your nursing home & I made sure you didn't have to
stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000
seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

OTOH, Trump realized how serious Covid was in early January -- but
deliberately lied to the American people in an attempt not to "cause
panic". As a result, he has killed tens of thousands of Americans who
did not have to die.

Not only that, but he has vigorously talked against the very measures
that are known by reputable scientists to help mitigate the spread of
the virus -- social distancing and masks. As a result his minions have
made such things a political issue instead of the science issue it
really is.

And more recently he has taken in a radiologist (e.g. does MRIs etc) as
his advisor who is touting the absurd theory that we should just let
people get infected so that we would reach "herd immunity".

The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
magnitude more than it currently is.

Dale Shipp
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stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000 seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

How did he "own up to it?" He hasn't apologized to anyone. He's a gorilla with a bag of executive orders, and he flings them at people.

The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
magnitude more than it currently is.

The mask mandate is optional per state, but you'd rather blame Trump than
blame governors.

Trump doesn't pencil-whip executive orders, unlike Andrew Cuomo. If we truly wanted a national mask mandate, congress could make a bill for that, but they seem very lazy lately.

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I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited.

That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b it never has.

There was video footage of "children in cages at US detention centers" that was recorded during the Obama administration, and it was used in attack ads against Trump in 2016 mistakenly by black Jesus himself.

It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

Al, we got these weekly periodicals like "The Globe," "The
Examiner," "The National Inquirer," "The Onion," and a few others. They are garbage stories, that only upstate NY moms read, as they pick them up near the checkout lane at the grocery store. They were good sellers in my area back around 1985.

These literary masterpieces also keep us informed about stuff like Aliens landing in Harlem, doing acid with the Globetrotters, etc.

They are sure to also keep you informed about forced hysterectomies on American women in jail.

The media has gone rogue in the states, but it's gone mad worldwide.

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On 09-19-20 10:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
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from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his followers and only cares about himself.

These things that you're saying about Trump, how he should have made recommendations, I think you're right that he should have and could
have been a stronger leader from the start of the outbreak.

That is exactly right -- and it is the reason that things are as bad as
they are.

He didn't really have much to say about it.

?? As President, he is supposed to be the leader of the nation. He
sould have told the people that it might be bad. He sould have told the
people about actions that they could take to mitigate the infections.
Instead, he told the people that it was nothing. He told the people to
ignore the recommended safety recommendations.

He doesn't "act presidential"
sometimes when he really should. But I don't blame him for any covid deaths. There was nothing the president could have done different
except for be more demanding.

Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting

That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do
with Trump policy.

DUH -- it has everything to do with his policies, discouraging mask
wearing and proper social distances.

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Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

I don't think the president's advice is anything anyone really cares about when it comes to covid-19. Democrat supporters can't be expected to listen to him, and even Republican supporters should know better than to rely on the president to tell them how to protect their families.

I'd ask a doctor all the questions, if I was feeling sick. If the president has a doctor telling him stuff about the virus, and the president doesn't listen to the doctor, then that's his problem. I get my medical advice from doctors and not from presidents.

And when I was worried about getting nuked by NK, I didn't even cry to Obama, because I knew that he was no expert at fixing relations with other countries.

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That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare >> all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b >> it never has.

Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it. When parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and lousy parents deserve worse.

It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

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Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should jailed or separated from their families.

In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing. So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court. Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so, but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

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Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should >> jailed or separated from their families.

In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing.

There is no illegal border crossing here.

So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

These are not illegal immigrants.

I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.

A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

I was separated from my mother in a similar (it sounds) way. Time and circumstance corrected that injustice.

Not all of those separations were temporary. In many cases they don't know who or where the parents are so now there is no way to put those families back together.

People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so,

I have no sympathy for illegal immigrants.

but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

<sigh>

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Hello Aaron,

It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who >DS>allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate >DS>protections.

Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still get
here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and
should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president
can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the
anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people go
to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

Knowingly infecting a person with AIDS is a criminal act.
Knowingly infecting a person with COVID-19 is also a criminal act.
In fact, doing so is considered as being an act of terrorism.

Refusal to get inoculated is suicidal, so what is the point?
How else would you be able to protect yourself, and others?
Locking yourself up in a room and refusing to come out is not
an answer. Same with others in your care. This is a public
health crisis. And we all must do our part.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that >DS>is *NOT* an illegal act.

It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

They are detained, then sent back to wherever they came from.
Not the same as being put in jail, as a first offense is only
a misdemeanor.

--Lee

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On 23 Sep 20 17:52, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

Hillary was *exactly* like my mother-in-law, mother of my ex. Oh mannnnnnnn
she was something else. You can judge a lot about a woman based on the relationship with her mother and in this case, it was two fucked up peas in
one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it was surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

Nick

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one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

I thought she wasn't bad looking in the 90s. Back then I didn't know how deranged she was either. I thought Bill was an idiot for taking Hillary for granted, but now it's sorta obvious that she is probably a pretty bad lay and pretty difficult to talk to.

But if I was Bill, I swear I would have made stuff work with Monica. He's an idiot for taking her for granted!

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What we need is direct democracy. One person, one vote.
That is how we elect everybody else. Why should the presidency
be any different?

I bet there are Republicans who would vote with you on that. I'd use it as leverage - if libs want the e.c. removed, maybe we make a deal that in return, Democrats do something for us - something big.

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They are tested for coronavirus. And also for communicable diseases.

Who are you talking about? Illegals who were captured? What about the ones not caputured?

And to think, none of them are given a mask. Not those inside cages or

Incarcerated illegals don't get free masks? That sounds a little unfair to me, but when did the USA start offering free masks to illegals?

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I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

I would support her before Trump but I am no fan. Maybe I'm an olf fashioned guy, I dunno.

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Among other reasons... during the time of the electoral college some of the smaller states... Like Montana... had a 2 or 3 day ride by horse to vote. Where as people in more populated areas just walked down the street.

Yep, it was another time and place.

Since the founding of the US they have always been working on compromises. States that were more populated always wanted a popular vote where as states who weren't as populated didn't.

A NY vote doesn't have the same stuff as a MN vote?

Currently there is a silent majority in the US.

If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely
visits blue states.

That's a lie... Trump constantly goes to goes into the Viper's den... all the time.

Look it up, Trump spends a lot of time with his base where he is comfortable in the adulation.

Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.

Not sure that you're saying here...

I'm saying that Donald Trump is a liar.

Trump has kept his word more than any other politician...

Has Mexico paid for the wall yet?

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That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition, his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

You're shifting the focus from your own racism to Trump's racism.

It's like when you get caught speeding, and you try to tell the cop "Those other cars were speeding too!"

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