NY now allows illegals to obtain driver licenses. But is that a good thing
for them?

Can they get their licenses without any proof of identity? How do we know if they had DWIs in their home countries? Is the NY driver license a gateway towards citizenship? If so, then great, but is citizenship something
desirable at this point? If you need health insurance, it's better to not be
a citizen - better to be an illegal and go to Cali for your medical needs.

Are illegals in NY flocking to the DMV? Will they put their real address on
the license?

Andrew Cuomo said that illegals with driver licenses are less likely to flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals don't have
insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car. So if you're illegal, what is your incentive to stick around after a crash?

I think this move is just a flexing of democrat muscle. If you want to put America first, then this is a blow to your conservative authority. Same thing with the last-minute abortion bill. Want to protect the unborn? Democrats
will show you who's boss in NY.

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Am 18 Jun 19 09:17:06 schrob aaron thomas an All zum Thema
<Illegal Driver Licenses>

flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals don't
have insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car.

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance certificate to the authority?



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On 2019 Jun 19 18:48:36, you wrote to aaron thomas:

flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals don't
have insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car.

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance certificate to the authority?

what arron seems to not recognize is that one's insurance can lapse... if one moves around, it is entirely possible that notification of this lapse can be missed... especially if it is via postal mail and one doesn't have a mailbox at the post office...

my insurance lapsed one time several decades ago... i wasn't aware of it because i was moving/traveling quite a lot at the time... it wasn't until one day that i realized i hadn't seen any notices about my insurance so i called the company and found out... turns out they didn't even try to notify me... all they did was send the bill one time and if it wasn't paid, they dropped the account... that was the last time i used some no name 3rd party low cost insurance company...

i'm also aware of a lot of people that are below the poverty line and trying their best to stay afloat... many of them go to "the general" for their insurance... they pay a fee and get the digital card which they show to the DMV when they get their plate... that might be the only time they pay that fee until the plate has to be renewed the next year... then they do it again all the while hoping they don't have any accidents or otherwise have something point out that they do not have any insurance... eg: going through a road block license check which are springing up all over the place and have lead to the use of mobile apps where you can report these checkpoints so others may avoid them...

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Am 18 Jun 19 09:17:06 schrob aaron thomas an All zum Thema
<Illegal Driver Licenses>

flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals

don't

have insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car.

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance certificate to the authority?

It probably depends on the state, but here in Iowa, yes
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Hello Gerhard,

<Illegal Driver Licenses>

flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals don't >at>have insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car.

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance
certificate to the authority?

All it takes is a screwdriver ...

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Am 20 Jun 19 03:38:55 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Illegal Driver Licenses>

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance
certificate to the authority?

All it takes is a screwdriver ...

Like you're in the office and that woman tells you she needs a proof of insurance and then you get your screwdriver out and tell her you're gonna stab her if you don't get it without one? ;-)



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flee the scene of an accident. But from my experience, illegals don't have insurance anyway - ask my wife's banged up car.

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance certificate to the authority?

Yes. This happened in New Mexico. The lady was polite; she waited for police
to arrive, and explained to them that she was an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, and had no insurance, and then the cop watched as she drove away, and said there was nothing he could do.

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Am 20 Jun 19 21:02:23 schrob aaron thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Illegal Driver Licenses>

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability
insurance certificate to the authority?

Yes. This happened in New Mexico. The lady was polite; she waited for police to arrive, and explained to them that she was an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, and had no insurance, and then the cop watched as she drove away, and said there was nothing he could do.

LOL. I don't believe that.
If you don't supply the *required* documents, why would the office hand over the license plates?

In Germany you need
- eVB number
(car liability insurance will be looked up on-line by that number)
- valid ID or passport
- vehicle title
- certificate of conformity (supplied by manufacturer of the vehicle)
- direct debit authorization (motorized vehicle tax)

Companies also need to show business registration and an excerpt from the commerce register.

If anything of that is missing, all you get is "See you later!".

If it turns out that you are not just missing the insurance number, but the insurance itself, then police will prevent you from operating that vehicle to save you from
- operating an unlicensed vehicle
(70 EUR fine, 1 point in the database of "bad drivers",
reaching 8 makes you lose your driving license)
- operating a vehicle without liability insurance
(up to one year in jail or 360 daily rates of fine based on your income
and since you obviously did it with intent, the car will be taken as well
and jail is more likely due to the intent)




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On 2019 Jun 21 08:33:14, you wrote to aaron thomas:

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability
insurance certificate to the authority?

Yes. This happened in New Mexico. The lady was polite; she waited for
police to arrive, and explained to them that she was an undocumented
immigrant from Mexico, and had no insurance, and then the cop watched
as she drove away, and said there was nothing he could do.

LOL. I don't believe that.

why not? just because something is required where you live doesn't mean that it is where someone else lives...

If you don't supply the *required* documents, why would the office
hand over the license plates?

no one said they did/would...

AFAICT, in new mexico, vehicle insurance has been required since 1978 by "NMSA 1978"... but i've not spent a lot of time tracking down when the laws was actually changed to require at least liability insurance on a vehicle...

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Hello Gerhard,

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability insurance
certificate to the authority?

All it takes is a screwdriver ...

Like you're in the office and that woman tells you she needs a proof of
insurance and then you get your screwdriver out and tell her you're gonna stab her if you don't get it without one? ;-)

Oh, no. Too much trouble. Much easier, and a lot less messy,
to simply take the screwdriver and use it to uscrew the screws
holding the license plate to the car. Then re-attach the same
license plate to the car you want to drive away with. See how
that works? No paperwork needed, or the need for any proof of
insurance.

--Lee

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Am 20 Jun 19 03:38:55 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum

Thema

<Illegal Driver Licenses>

Can you get a license plate without showing a car liability

insurance

certificate to the authority?

All it takes is a screwdriver ...

Like you're in the office and that woman tells you she needs a proof

of

insurance and then you get your screwdriver out and tell her you're

gonna stab

her if you don't get it without one? ;-)

More likely steal somebody else's plates
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AFAICT, in new mexico, vehicle insurance has been required since 1978 by

In New Mexico, proof of insurance must be shown upon request if you get
pulled over, but it's not something you have to show to the MVD to get your plate.

But if you get a nice guy cop like I had in this situation, he don't care if you have insurance or not, or if you're a legal alien or not.

I didn't want the lady deported or anything, but I was annoyed because she
had no insurance and my girlfriend's car now has a bent-in passenger door.
And to sue an illegal in court - that doesn't sound like a winning battle.

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In New Mexico, proof of insurance must be shown upon request if you get pulled over, but it's not something you have to show to the MVD to get
your plate.

This is Belgium.

Proof of insurance must be in the car. There are mobile police units setting up roadblocks everywherem stopping people, checking registration, insurance, annual safety check record, driver license, driver identity...

No insurance? Vehicle will be towed away and 'C U in court'.

You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least once a year.

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Am 23 Jun 19 01:57:11 schrob Ward Dossche an aaron thomas zum Thema
<Re: Illegal Driver Licenses>

You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least once a year.

Who does that work? If someone just uses their car to go shopping (5 km distance) once a week, how do you pull them over once a year without some marketing guy going nuts when he gets pulled over 20 times per day? I've only been pulled over three times in my life in Germany.




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You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least once a

year.

Who does that work?

The regular police in their ongoing campaign to fight alcoholism behind the wheel.

Then there are customs-squads chasing diesel cars seeing if they're not using coloured diesel.

Then there are squads by the ministery of finances who check if you have paid your road taxes ...

I once remarked I thought certain practices had ended sometime May 1945.

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Am 24 Jun 19 01:06:43 schrob Ward Dossche an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Illegal Driver Licenses>

You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least once a

year.
Who does that work?

The regular police in their ongoing campaign to fight alcoholism behind the wheel.

I meant "how", not "who", sorry.



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In New Mexico, proof of insurance must be shown upon request if

you get

pulled over, but it's not something you have to show to the MVD

to get

your plate.

This is Belgium.

Proof of insurance must be in the car. There are mobile police units

setting up

roadblocks everywherem stopping people, checking registration,

insurance,

annual safety check record, driver license, driver identity...

No insurance? Vehicle will be towed away and 'C U in court'.

You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least once a

year.

I don't know if they still do random stops in California, but back in
the 1970s I was home on leave and using my grandfather's car when I
came upon such a roadblock - which included a safety and smog check. Fortunately I had all the required paperwork and the car passed the
inspection
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You can count on it that everyone gets pulled over at least

once a

year.

Who does that work?

The regular police in their ongoing campaign to fight alcoholism

behind the

wheel.

Then there are customs-squads chasing diesel cars seeing if they're

not using

coloured diesel.

They do that here occasionally, and woe unto the truck driver that is
caught with dyed fuel in his fuel tank (dyed fuel is used in farm
equipment and for other off-road purposes (like my furnace, #2 diesel
and #2 heating oil are essentially the same thing), and the motor-fuel
tax is not collected on it)
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