British Airways parent company IAG is in discussions with Airbus and Boeing about an order for at least 20 widebodies, insiders report to Bloomberg. The new aircraft are mainly intended to replace some of the Boeing 777-200ERs.

The British have 43 aircraft of this type (in addition to sixteen larger and younger 777-300ERs), making the 777-200ER the most common aircraft in the longhaul fleet. However, with an average age of 23, they are already quite old and need to be replaced.

British Airways still has 17 Boeing 787-10s on order (in addition to 2 Airbus A350-1000s and 18 Boeing 777-9s), but more orders are needed to replace the entire 777-200ER fleet. The Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 appear to be the biggest contenders for the additional order.

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On Mon Oct 9 13:50:00 2023, Aviation HQ wrote to All <=-

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The British have 43 aircraft of this type (in addition to sixteen larger and younger 777-300ERs), making the 777-200ER the most common aircraft in the longhaul fleet. However, with an average age of 23, they are already quite old and need to be replaced.

and yet there's still 40 plus year old 747's still doing the rounds without any issues

Charlie
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Hello Charles!

Monday October 09 2023 18:17, you wrote to Aviation HQ:

On Mon Oct 9 13:50:00 2023, Aviation HQ wrote to All <=-

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The British have 43 aircraft of this type (in addition to sixteen
larger and younger 777-300ERs), making the 777-200ER the most
common aircraft in the longhaul fleet. However, with an average age
of 23, they are already quite old and need to be replaced.

and yet there's still 40 plus year old 747's still doing the rounds
without any issues

I understood that BA had retired the 747 fleet other than for some cargo and even they are mostly so. They do not fly a/c any where near that age, the same for all other majors.



Vincent

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and yet there's still 40 plus year old 747's still doing the rounds
without any issues

There are just a few companies left that still use the 747 in passenger
service ... Lufthansa that I know of, the only user of the 747-8 as a
passenger plane, and they re-activated their 747-4's which were stored in Twente (The Netherlands), but that is temporary and will be phased out.

Nowhere will you find 40+ year 747's in service ... it's just too expensive
to run that kind of engine-technology and a D-check for them unaffordable.

BA btw has ditched all of its passenger 747s, so has KLM, AirFrance, others
... KLM has kept 3 freighters as they're relatively new. In cargo you still
see them but Cargolux has dumped all the old-ones, so has Atlas (the buyer of the last 747) ... you may still see flying crap with Kallita ... but that's Kallita of course. A few Asians. Some Russians were flying 747-freighters but they're als grounded and probably will be too expensive to reactivate after storage in inproper conditions ... they will require a D-check as well ...

Mojave and Pima are now one giant 747-storage area. And Teruel in Spain.

For Airbus stuff you need to be in Tarbes, France.

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Hello Charles!

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and yet there's still 40 plus year old 747's still doing the rounds without any issues

I understood that BA had retired the 747 fleet other than for some cargo and even they are mostly so. They do not fly a/c any where near that age, the same
for all other majors.

i dont know about BA - i would assume they're on other ER/LR aircraft, but there's a number of other "majors" that still fly the 74's with PAX on them including lufthansa. while i agree that newer or more modern aircraft are more efficient etc, i am certainly not looking forward to the day where i dont see any more 74's outside of the few cargo ones that come into orlando etc.

https://simpleflying.com/rare-jumbos-747s/

Charlie
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i dont know about BA - i would assume they're on other ER/LR aircraft,
but there's a number of other "majors" that still fly the 74's with PAX
on them including lufthansa. while i agree that newer or more modern aircraft are more efficient etc, i am certainly not looking forward to
the day where i dont see any more 74's outside of the few cargo ones that come into orlando etc.

Air China, Korean, Rossiya and Lufthansa as the only "majors" with Rossiya being grounded due to sanctions after the invasion of Ukraine.

Air China . 3 747-4 7 747-8
Korean 4 747-4 9 747-8
Lufthanse 8 747-4 19 747-8
Rossiya 9 747-4 (grounded)

There are some charter operations such as Atlas and others but they are not 'majors'. Also an accumulated high number of government planes.

54% of all remaining scheduled 747 pax operation are by Lufthansa.

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