Hi Alexander -- on Nov 15 2019 at 09:09, you wrote:

"He had on a dress suit and patent leather shoes"

What are patent shoes? 8-) Can it be a patent violation?

Excellent question - turns out that the process was sort of patented!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_leather

...patent leather is a fine grain leather that is treated to give it a
glossy appearance. An early reference to patent leather is in the 1793
British periodical The Bee, or Literary Weekly Intelligencer, which
notes, in an article entitled "Hand's patent leather", that "a gentleman
of the name of Hand" in Birmingham, England, obtained a patent for
preparing flexible leather having a glaze and polish that renders it
impervious to water and need only be wiped with a sponge to restore it
to its original luster.[4] In November 1799, inventor Edmund Prior, of
Holborn, London, England, received a patent for a method of painting and coloring all kinds of leather;[5] and, in January 1805, inventor Charles Mollersten, of Hackney Wick, received a patent for applying a chemical composition in the preparation of hides, skins, and leather to give "a beautiful gloss".[6] However, patent leather primarily owes its
popularity to Seth Boyden. (who did NOT patent his process. dh)

I'd never looked into this before - thanks for pointing me at it!



Cheers... Dallas

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Hi, all!

"He had on a dress suit and patent leather shoes"

What are patent shoes? 8-) Can it be a patent violation?

Bye, all!
Alexander Koryagin

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Dallas Hinton to Alexander Koryagin:

Excellent question - turns out that the process was sort
of patented!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_leather

..patent leather is a fine grain leather that is treated
to give it a glossy appearance. An early reference to
patent leather is in the 1793 British periodical The
Bee, or Literary Weekly Intelligencer, which notes, in
an article entitled "Hand's patent leather", that "a
gentleman of the name of Hand" in Birmingham, England,
obtained a patent for preparing flexible leather having
a glaze and polish that renders it impervious to water
and need only be wiped with a sponge to restore it to
its original luster.

Whereas patent medicine is a patent fraud. What is the
difference in the pronunciation of `patent' in the first and
second occurences in the previous sentence?

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Dallas Hinton to Alexander Koryagin:

Excellent question - turns out that the process was sort
of patented!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_leather

..patent leather is a fine grain leather that is treated
to give it a glossy appearance. An early reference to
patent leather is in the 1793 British periodical The
Bee, or Literary Weekly Intelligencer, which notes, in
an article entitled "Hand's patent leather", that "a
gentleman of the name of Hand" in Birmingham, England,
obtained a patent for preparing flexible leather having
a glaze and polish that renders it impervious to water
and need only be wiped with a sponge to restore it to
its original luster.

By the way, when I treated one pair of my shoes with a
solution of beeswax and propolis in turpentine, they
acquired the properties patent leather. This solution is
made in Crimea as a universal protective impregnation and
coating for metal, wood, and leather. The turpentine draws
the components deep (0.5-1.0 mm) into the material through
its pores, leaving a matte-glossy coat on the surface.

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Hi, Anton Shepelev->Dallas Hinton
I read your message from 17.11.2019 13:39

By the way, when I treated one pair of my shoes with a solution of
beeswax and propolis in turpentine, they acquired the properties
patent leather. This solution is made in Crimea as a universal
protective impregnation and coating for metal, wood, and leather.
The turpentine draws the components deep (0.5-1.0 mm) into the
material through its pores, leaving a matte-glossy coat on the
surface.

Did you say about metal too? IMHO, metal can't absorb any solution as leather, for instance.

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2019

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Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:

This solution is made in Crimea as a universal
protective impregnation and coating for metal, wood,
and leather. The turpentine draws the components deep
(0.5-1.0 mm) into the material through its pores,
leaving a matte-glossy coat on the surface.

Did you say about metal too? IMHO, metal can't absorb
any solution as leather, for instance.

I was careless. Of course, it does not penetrate metal. I
have only used it with wood and leather.

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Hi Anton -- on Nov 17 2019 at 12:28, you wrote:

Whereas patent medicine is a patent fraud. What is the
difference in the pronunciation of `patent' in the first and
second occurences in the previous sentence?

There's no difference in pronunciation, regardelss of usage, although
some countries say "pa-tent" and some say "pae-tent".


Cheers... Dallas

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Whereas patent medicine is a patent fraud. What is the
difference in the pronunciation of `patent' in the first and
second occurences in the previous sentence?

There's no difference in pronunciation, regardelss of usage, although
some countries say "pa-tent" and some say "pae-tent".

Here in Kentucky, in relation to the leather shoes, I have heard it
pronounced "patton," like the WWII General. :) It otherwise seems to be pronounced one of the two ways you have pointed out.

Mike


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Hi Mike -- on Nov 19 2019 at 19:01, you wrote:

Here in Kentucky, in relation to the leather shoes, I have heard it pronounced "patton," like the WWII General. :) It otherwise seems to be pronounced one of the two ways you have pointed out.

Interesting -- are there other words which in Kentucky lose their ending
"t" sound?


Cheers... Dallas

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Here in Kentucky, in relation to the leather shoes, I have heard it pronounced "patton," like the WWII General. :) It otherwise seems to be pronounced one of the two ways you have pointed out.

Interesting -- are there other words which in Kentucky lose their ending
"t" sound?

I am not sure if it is a loss of the ending "t" so much as it may be a confusion as to what the word is. I grew up thinking it was "Patton
Leather" I heard it so much. I did not learn it was "patent" (pah-tent or pay-tent) until later.

Mike

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Hi Mike -- on Nov 20 2019 at 18:52, you wrote:

I am not sure if it is a loss of the ending "t" so much as it may be a confusion as to what the word is. I grew up thinking it was "Patton Leather" I heard it so much. I did not learn it was "patent" (pah-tent or pay-tent) until later.

interesting, thanks. I've not heard much Kentucky spoken!


Cheers... Dallas

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Hi! Dallas,

On 20 Nov 19 16:33, you wrote to Mike Powell:

interesting, thanks. I've not heard much Kentucky spoken!

Many moons ago, I heard tell that it is very nearly indistinguishable from West Virginian.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi Paul -- on Nov 21 2019 at 11:06, you wrote:

interesting, thanks. I've not heard much Kentucky spoken!

Many moons ago, I heard tell that it is very nearly indistinguishable from

West Virginian.

Can't say I've heard much of that dialect either! :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Hi! Dallas,

On 11/20/2019 09:28 PM, you wrote:

interesting, thanks. I've not heard much Kentucky spoken!

Many moons ago, I heard tell that it is very nearly

indistinguishable from West Virginian.

Can't say I've heard much of that dialect either! :-)

The bloke was a Police CSI from north-west South Carolina. Did that help? :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi, Dallas Hinton->Mike Powell!
I read your message from 19.11.2019 22:51

Here in Kentucky, in relation to the leather shoes, I have heard
it pronounced "patton," like the WWII General. :) It otherwise
seems to be pronounced one of the two ways you have pointed out.

Interesting -- are there other words which in Kentucky lose their
ending "t" sound?

Cabernet? ;)

Bye, Dallas!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2019

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Hi Paul -- on Nov 21 2019 at 16:08, you wrote:

The bloke was a Police CSI from north-west South Carolina. Did that help?

:)

No. :-)




Cheers... Dallas

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Hi Alexander -- on Nov 21 2019 at 09:14, you wrote:

Interesting -- are there other words which in Kentucky lose their
ending "t" sound?

Cabernet? ;)

But...there's no "t" in "moonshine"!


Cheers... Dallas

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Hi! Dallas,

On 11/21/2019 02:53 PM, you wrote to Alexander Koryagin:

Interesting -- are there other words which in Kentucky lose their
ending "t" sound?

Cabernet? ;)

But...there's no "t" in "moonshine"!

Nor 'corn mash'. OTOH we know what the sound of the base word means. Back woods folk probably don't.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Many moons ago, I heard tell that it is very nearly indistinguishable from West
Virginian.

I would not doubt that Eastern Kentuckian and West Virginian are not
similar.

Mike


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