Hi, all!

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336
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UK scientists' bid to find a hidden population of iron meteorites in the Antarctic has been beaten into submission.

The University of Manchester team had developed a detection system it
hoped would reveal the metal objects sitting just under the ice surface.

But after 18 days of survey work, the equipment has broken beyond
repair. It seems the components couldn't cope with the pounding they
received as the detector was dragged across hard ice.
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What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into submission", but this one...

Bye, all!
Alexander Koryagin

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Hi Alexander -- on Jan 10 2020 at 07:53, you wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336

[...]

What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the
phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into submission", but
this one...

It IS a rather unusual usage, but it's a legitimate use and does convey
the idea! :-)



Cheers... Dallas

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Hi, Dallas Hinton! ->Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 09.01.2020 22:57

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336

[...]

What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the
phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into submission", but
this one...

It IS a rather unusual usage, but it's a legitimate use and does
convey the idea! :-)

When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually become winners.

When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been trained. :-)

Bye, Dallas!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Hi Alexander -- on Jan 10 2020 at 08:16, you wrote:

When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say they
gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been trained.
:-)

It's certainly confusing, and not the way *I* would write!


Cheers... Dallas

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Re: their bid has been beaten into submission
By: Alexander Koryagin to All on Fri Jan 10 2020 07:53:38

What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten
into submission". By the scientists themselves? I would
understand the phrase like "The robbers beat their
victim into submission", but this one...

it is an analogy and/or euphemism ;)

he beat the code into submission by rewriting it.


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On 10/01/2020 1:16 a.m., Alexander Koryagin : Dallas Hinton wrote:

Hello Alexander!

What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand
the phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into
submission", but this one...

When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually
become winners.

When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say
they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been
trained.

But in this case the "robber" is the "ice", not the scientists. The
victim is the equipment. The ice wins. Equipment loses.

There is no evidence (in the citation) that the scientists did the
beating. It just says that their bid has been beaten (by the ice).

Just my guess.

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What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into submission". By >the scientists themselves? I would understand the phrase like "The robbers beat
their victim into submission", but this one...

It is the kind of wording I might expect from a tabloid, but I am surprised
to see it coming from the BBC.

Mike


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