• Musk's Starlink

    From Daniel@1:340/7 to All on Wed Jun 10 06:15:00 2020
    Well Musk is well on his way to having the first reasonably priced and broadband/low latency satellite internet service available to the public.

    Discuss?

    I'm rather excited about the possibilities.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Daniel on Wed Jun 10 08:59:00 2020
    Hello Daniel!

    ** On Wednesday 10.06.20 - 06:15, Daniel wrote to All:

    Well Musk is well on his way to having the first reasonably priced and broadband/low latency satellite internet service available to the public.

    What are the prices? The initial claims are often overly ambitious.
    There are surely to be excuses for prices to rise very quickly.

    Discuss?

    I'm rather excited about the possibilities.

    I'm not too crazy about all that junk in space, and blocking the stars.

    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Richard Menedetter on Thu Jun 11 20:00:00 2020
    Hello Richard!

    ** On Thursday 11.06.20 - 10:10, Richard Menedetter wrote to Daniel:

    Sorry ... I could not find any price information for their satellite service there.

    :( Likewise. It just seems suspicious that he got away with the project without actually stating what the price of using the service would be to a customer. Wouldn't the bottom line price be the logical concern before tossing 1000's of more space junk up there that can put other people at
    the risk of falling debris?

    How much more reasonably priced is the Space X offering?

    I have to wonder too. I think the use of the satellite tech will
    eventually be promoted as a premium service thus higher than current
    prices for the same bandwidth.

    For example, the current home satellite-dish solution was heavily promoted
    as "a solution at last!" for rural communities. The initial signup cost seemed reasonable. Some installations offered free hardware setup, but the equipment for the home wasn't cheap. Now, many years later, the sign up
    and equioment cost is a bit lower, but only for the first 3 months. This kind of presentation of "affordability" is misleading.


    When going low earth orbit you gain better latency but pay with
    incredibly higher cost. (you need a hackload more of satellites)

    I just spotted "720 satellites for total coverage in 2020" in wikipedia.
    Then its 1584 by 2021-2022.

    And now I read that Daniel stated that Musk want's 20,000 of things in the sky.


    ../|ug

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to August Abolins on Fri Jun 12 09:21:00 2020
    August Abolins wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-

    Hello Richard!

    ** On Thursday 11.06.20 - 10:10, Richard Menedetter wrote to Daniel:

    Sorry ... I could not find any price information for their satellite service there.

    :( Likewise. It just seems suspicious that he got away with the project without actually stating what the price of using the service would be
    to a customer. Wouldn't the bottom line price be the logical concern before tossing 1000's of more space junk up there that can put other people at the risk of falling debris?

    They're not junk if they serve a purpose and especially if they deorbit when done.

    And on the price, it will be a worldwide service and would be open to a larger subscriber base than a traditional provider. It would be much easier to provide an inexpensive service when spreading the cost to a larger base of customers. This is why many areas of the US lack broadband internet. The providers don't see a value of laying fiber in rural areas that are so underpopulated that they'd never get a return of investment.

    How much more reasonably priced is the Space X offering?

    I have to wonder too. I think the use of the satellite tech will eventually be promoted as a premium service thus higher than current prices for the same bandwidth.

    Current satellite offerings are super expensive particularly due to the cost of the satellites and the launch cost. They are also high latency and slow speed. I have friends living in the mountains who had it and were forced to ditch it in favor of really slow hotspot service. I send him dvd's of linux every few months so he can patch his computers.

    For example, the current home satellite-dish solution was heavily
    promoted as "a solution at last!" for rural communities. The initial signup cost seemed reasonable. Some installations offered free hardware setup, but the equipment for the home wasn't cheap. Now, many years
    later, the sign up and equioment cost is a bit lower, but only for the first 3 months. This kind of presentation of "affordability" is misleading.

    SpaceX's solution will be a 'ufo on a stick.' No dish needed.

    I just spotted "720 satellites for total coverage in 2020" in
    wikipedia. Then its 1584 by 2021-2022.

    And now I read that Daniel stated that Musk want's 20,000 of things in
    the sky.

    That would be an eventual goal, but I may be wrong on the number. I know it's in the tens-of-thousands and recently got approval for more. The satellites are really small compared to the ones you normally see in orbit. Each no larger than my computer desk and less than a foot thick. Each blade have dozens of individual computers in a mesh, powered by solar, and armed with autonomous navigation.

    This is the future.

    Daniel Traechin
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