Does anyone have a functioning files.bbs importer for v1.22? I've tried to get all the old ones to work and I've not had much success.

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I've been trying to use this, but it keeps stopping about a quarter of the through.

I'd talk to ZAZZ as I don't use the files.bbs importer. This was a "Lee" baby and I had no part of it. I know it's in the code, but I did not write that part. And to be honest, I think Lee passed away back in 2009 or 2010 as I have not heard anything from him.

Which sucks as a lot of this crazy code is his, and it's hard to wrap your head around where he was going with it, as lot is half done.

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I'm looking through the code to see what may be going on. It started out as a way for me to to find the file structure for the *.scn and *.dir files so I could update them myself but now I'm intrigued by what's going on across the whole thing (I've never developed in Pascal, just C++ and Microsoft stuff). Anyway, I'll plug along to see what may be going on.

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I'm looking through the code to see what may be going on. It started out way for me to to find the file structure for the *.scn and *.dir files so could update them myself but now I'm intrigued by what's going on across t whole thing (I've never developed in Pascal, just C++ and Microsoft stuff) Anyway, I'll plug along to see what may be going on.

Make sure you are looking thru the v1.19/DOS code and not the v1.20Win code .... The v1.20 Win code is a bit unstable that Rick ported. Not much changed from 1.19 to 1.22, so if you see something feel free to send it over and I'll see if I can work it into the 1.22 code.

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On 08 Mar 21 19:50:21, The Leprechaun said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

I'm looking through the code to see what may be going on. It started out a way for me to to find the file structure for the *.scn and *.dir files so I could update them myself but now I'm intrigued by what's going on across th whole thing (I've never developed in Pascal, just C++ and Microsoft stuff). Anyway, I'll plug along to see what may be going on.

It makes sense to develop Renegade stuff in Pascal because thats what its written in. Otherwise you have an additional mess of converting structures to C especially Pascal string types.

You are also working with what are essentially a few different database format types because the structures were changed over the years.

The SCN files are scan pointers, safely ignored. The DIR files are the file indexes but the Extended.DAT file must be handled with upmost care...

Nick

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indexes but the Extended.DAT file must be handled with upmost care...

What's that? It was gone years ago. Each base has it's own .ext so there isn't one huge file to "screw up" .... <G> Nicer that way I think, but broke all utils. :(

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On 08 Mar 21 22:03:56, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

indexes but the Extended.DAT file must be handled with upmost care...

What's that? It was gone years ago. Each base has it's own .ext so there isn't one huge file to "screw up" .... <G> Nicer that way I think, but bro all utils. :(

Wow... I'm still using Extended.dat here. It has always worked, never got corrupted.

I'd like to see a list of structure changes between Y2ka2 and the 1.22 version so I can get a more accurate view of what I need to support in D'Bridge.

I wrote my own Tic processor but theres nooooooooooooo way I'm going to code tossing for several different Renegade filebase formats.

This is one of a few things that really bothered me about Nuclear...

Nick

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Make sure you are looking thru the v1.19/DOS code and not the v1.20Win code

I pulled the code from the link on your site, is that the right place? From what I've seen, it seems right, but I'm just getting into this.

Thanks

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On 09 Mar 21 07:19:31, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

I wrote my own Tic processor but theres nooooooooooooo way I'm going to co tossing for several different Renegade filebase formats.

The records.pas I gave you with the 1.22 source code should be the latest . minus the ver # didn' get changed.

Speaking as a both the #1 fan and a 3rd-party developer you should really be aware of how absolutely frustrating it is to write anything for Renegade.

Things were perfectly "fine" up until structures, menufiles and datafiles were screwed around with. We lost every single 3rd-party utility over the years for Renegade because of structure changes. Including Allfix which worked amazing.

Its one thing to change structures in the 90's when everyone and their mother was writing BBS stuff but not in the 2000's, 2010's when most utils are abandonware. The nail in the coffin was Nuclear's changes to structures *yet again*.

If I'm correct - first everything was perfectly fine with 5-line descriptions. Nobody screamed murder over that for a long time. Then came 10-line, structure change. Then more lines, another structure change? Now seperate Ext files?

You have my system on Y2ka2 which will never change, PB I think runs 1.18, yours on 1.22... how does one write a Tic processor to support this exactly?

If someone put back all the structures to what they were in Y2kA2 or earlier even, we could use all those many cool utils from the 90's and get Allfix working with it again.

Nick

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Speaking as a both the #1 fan and a 3rd-party developer you should really

I know ... I know .... Lee went nuts when I brought him on board. But to be honest, I think he's not alive anymore.

You have my system on Y2ka2 which will never change, PB I think runs 1.18, yours on 1.22... how does one write a Tic processor to support this exactl

1.18 -> 1.22a (the one I am using), the structs have NOT changed. Honestly, I think it might have been from 1.10. But I know for SURE from 1.18 on, nothing struct wise has changed.

So in all honestity you'd only need your ver (for yourself, as I don't see anyone using it but you), and 1.18 up would be the same. So only 2. Lee isn't around anymore, and no one cared in the 7 years it was open source to do anything with. So I doubt anything MAJOR is going to change with RG on my end. I'm just tweaking little shit that bugs me and adding some MCI codes for things I need.

If someone put back all the structures to what they were in Y2kA2 or earli even, we could use all those many cool utils from the 90's and get Allfix working with it again.

I know .... I like some of the editions ... yeah I miss editing the menus from dos edit and copy/paste 50 codes at once. <G> Take for example ... Before I had to have a menu cmd NW what they were doing, cmd door game, NW cmd door
game menu for every menu cmd to settle my OCD. Now I just hit N. for Node Activity and put in what I want and problem is solved for my command instead
of 3.

The email system is now a message base. I like Lee's light bars for the area and file areas, but I think he screwed up dupe checking and it's a pain in the ass to track down for file moves. Also I have to fix is I used to be able to upload *.* and it would scan all files in the directory, but with his setup he converted over into RG It stops after 1 file upload and I have to do it again and again for each file.

Trust me, there are things I would love to change. I just sit here and go thru the code and sometimes shake my head ... To be honest I don't see many boards with files anyways .... unless they are hatched to them like mindless drones. What happened to the BBS world?

Anyways .... yeah I think we're stuck on mine and yours setup. So from my end, you should already have what you need and there won't be crazy changes coming from here. So click away on 2 versions ... ;)

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change. Then more lines, another structure change? Now seperate Ext files?

The seperate .ext files where back in 2007 or 2008 .... whenever we went to the unlimited file_id.diz lines.

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On 09 Mar 21 17:10:37, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

I know ... I know .... Lee went nuts when I brought him on board. But to b honest, I think he's not alive anymore.

Really? Wow...

The email system is now a message base. I like Lee's light bars for the a and file areas, but I think he screwed up dupe checking and it's a pain in ass to track down for file moves. Also I have to fix is I used to be able upload *.* and it would scan all files in the directory, but with his setup converted over into RG It stops after 1 file upload and I have to do it aga and again for each file.

I don't see any reason to have the Email as a message base, because its not a message base in the normal sense. Its private email. Its worked perfectly fine since inception. Internally the code for email is a bit more elaborate in how it handles flags and attributes. Hopefully Nuclear left all of that alone.

The one thing I'd like to get around to fixing is AKA matching when replying to Netmail's. I don't like choosing from a "list" of addresses. It looks
a bit hokey and has been a long-time problem.

Lightbars... meh... thats a matter of taste I guess. But nothing does lightbars as good as Searchlight.

Why was the file upload code even touched? It was working perfectly fine?

Anyways .... yeah I think we're stuck on mine and yours setup. So from my end, you should already have what you need and there won't be crazy changes coming from here. So click away on 2 versions ... ;)

LOL click away. We need mouse support in RG now? :)

Nick

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On 09 Mar 21 17:12:04, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

change. Then more lines, another structure change? Now seperate Ext files?

The seperate .ext files where back in 2007 or 2008 .... whenever we went to the unlimited file_id.diz lines.

Unlimited lines?!?? Bah. Anything with a Diz that can't describe itself in a couple lines is shit.

Nick

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On 10 Mar 21 16:56:23, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

Why was the file upload code even touched? It was working perfectly fine?

I don't know ... and to be honest ... I just recently noticed as I really didn't have any new files years back when we were updating all the time. L

I'm surprised nobody else complained, its THE easiest way to mass-upload.

I'm gonna have to sit down one day when I get time (yeah right), and look a the y2k code and my 1.22 code and see where the error is. It bugs me, but one said anything in upteen years so, I guess either they are living with i or have no idea. ;)

Found it, its the "uploadall" procedure in FILE5.PAS.

Nick

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Found it, its the "uploadall" procedure in FILE5.PAS.

Nick

Cool ... if you have an easy fix send the file over. If not, I'll play around with it this weekend when I get some time.

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On 10 Mar 21 19:48:39, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

Cool ... if you have an easy fix send the file over. If not, I'll play aro with it this weekend when I get some time.

I had planned to play with myself this weekend. Gotta have priorities.

Nick

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Cool ... if you have an easy fix send the file over. If not, I'll play aro with it this weekend when I get some time.

I had planned to play with myself this weekend. Gotta have priorities.

I thought *I* was 1st on the list!? hahahaha

I have a whatdone of what I changed (nothig big ... updated internal screens, new mci codes, etc.) .... I'm been SLOWLY plugging away at something ... usually only when something bothers me .... notice we are now on the upload thing bothering me ...... <G>

Teleconference is next .... I wanna change the format to an IRC type look when you chat on the bottom and it posts on the top ..... the old OBV/2 code had a neat one might see what I can come up with sooner or later. But then again, NO ONE uses it ... so, does it matter enough to change it?!

Sigh.

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I have a whatdone of what I changed (nothig big ... updated internal screens, new mci codes, etc.) .... I'm been SLOWLY plugging away at something ... usually only when something bothers me .... notice we are now on the upload thing bothering me ...... <G>

I'd be interested in seeing your whatdone file when you feel like sharing it.

Teleconference is next .... I wanna change the format to an IRC type
look whenyou chat on the bottom and it posts on the top ..... the old OBV/2 code had a neat one might see what I can come up with sooner or later. But then again, NO ONE uses it ... so, does it matter enough to change it?!

You never know until you make the change. If setup more like an IRC more Renegade sysops might join for exchange or discussions.

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I'd talk to ZAZZ as I don't use the files.bbs importer. This was a "Lee"

I'll do that.

Which sucks as a lot of this crazy code is his, and it's hard to wrap your head around where he was going with it, as lot is half done.

I know what it's like to walk into that situation. It sucks.

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I'd be interested in seeing your whatdone file when you feel like sharing i

It's on my main menu.

You never know until you make the change. If setup more like an IRC more Renegade sysops might join for exchange or discussions.

It'll be local ... so unless you have 2 people on at once, it won't really mean anything.

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I'd be interested in seeing your whatdone file when you feel like sharing i

It's on my main menu.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

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